Allegiant
03-23-2010, 08:22 PM
#282
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 82
I am by no means "long in the tooth" but take fishfreighter's comments at your own peril. I was a captain at a particular company several years ago, and I would love to give a recommendation to an F/O, knowing full well that it would go straight to the circular file. I think I did it only to **** off the C/P whose job it was to make my life a living hell for being the union steward of a pilot group that was trying to get a first contract. I don't know much about Allegiant, did know some F/O's that went over there, and I can only assume what they are up to. But please, men and women, realize that there are lots are rat bastards that will do anything asked for of them, whether or not you believe it. Captain recommendations mean squat, check airmen recommendations are even more laughable (at particular airlines). If you don't believe me, then PM me and I will discuss this outside of this particular forum.
IBT for Life.
03-24-2010, 06:39 AM
#283
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,480
I did it only to **** off the C/P whose job it was to make my life a living hell for being the union steward of a pilot group that was trying to get a first contract. I don't know much about Allegiant, did know some F/O's that went over there, and I can only assume what they are up to. But please, men and women, realize that there are lots are rat bastards that will do anything asked for of them, whether or not you believe it..
03-24-2010, 10:17 AM
#284
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: MD-80 Capt
Posts: 122
Allegiant is a decent place to work. If we had union representation, it would be much better. The best choice for Allegiant far and away is ALPA. Most bang for the buck and I'll stand by that. There is a lot of potential for good here and also a lot of potential for bad. With a CBA and ALPA representation, much of the bad gets mitigated.
There is more than one way that a CEO or Management team can be detrimental to pilots. You have your blatant Frank Lorenzo types who get rich by liquidating at the expense of employees and there are other types that build and build and build without concern for long term sustainability. I believe that our CEO falls into that category.
History has proven that their is inherent value to operating a company in an employee-centric manner so that those on the front line exhibit loyalty and operate with regard to profitability at all times. Another reaching aspect of this "value" lies in the caliber of pilot that a "career" airline can attract. The much higher level of experience, education, and overall professionalism of candidates willing to hang their hats at that type of company better ensures long term sustainability and safe operation.
Despite the gains in flat pay which we received in association with the threat of ALPA, Allegiant still falls short of being able to offer a career option to those looking to find a last stop career airline. Sure, we have 2000 Resumes on file from qualified applicants, but this is merely due to the employment vacuum that exists in the industry today. Without a CBA and a compensation package in line with the industry average, I can't imagine this place being "a Southwest" type of job option in the near future.
Right now, our rank and file is "content" for the most part after seeing the recent ~40% hike in hourly pay that will go into effect on May 1. This is very shortsighted. Many give credit to the CEO and actually believe it was done because of reasons other than simple union busting. I assure you it was not. AAPAG (ie: the student council) is already showing signs of fading into the background. It is so obvious that the companies method of busting the organizing effort has worked well for them so far. There are quite a few pilots touting the company anti-union rhetoric now that one piece of the compensation puzzle has been worked out. The company's policy of weeding out ALPA supporters in the interview process has worked out well for them.
In time, the pilots of Allegiant will inevitably see the need for a union. I can almost guarantee that. At that point it will probably be too late. That is the sad reality. I don't dispute anyone's warning that a non-union company is dangerous territory for a multitude of reasons. You're preaching to the choir with me. My point though is that from someone who has been here for 5 years, saying that all captains, or even all check airman are kool-aid drinking pro-company, anti-union weenies; and that supporting a union will get you unfair treatment by pilot managers simply isn't true here..
That's all..
There is more than one way that a CEO or Management team can be detrimental to pilots. You have your blatant Frank Lorenzo types who get rich by liquidating at the expense of employees and there are other types that build and build and build without concern for long term sustainability. I believe that our CEO falls into that category.
History has proven that their is inherent value to operating a company in an employee-centric manner so that those on the front line exhibit loyalty and operate with regard to profitability at all times. Another reaching aspect of this "value" lies in the caliber of pilot that a "career" airline can attract. The much higher level of experience, education, and overall professionalism of candidates willing to hang their hats at that type of company better ensures long term sustainability and safe operation.
Despite the gains in flat pay which we received in association with the threat of ALPA, Allegiant still falls short of being able to offer a career option to those looking to find a last stop career airline. Sure, we have 2000 Resumes on file from qualified applicants, but this is merely due to the employment vacuum that exists in the industry today. Without a CBA and a compensation package in line with the industry average, I can't imagine this place being "a Southwest" type of job option in the near future.
Right now, our rank and file is "content" for the most part after seeing the recent ~40% hike in hourly pay that will go into effect on May 1. This is very shortsighted. Many give credit to the CEO and actually believe it was done because of reasons other than simple union busting. I assure you it was not. AAPAG (ie: the student council) is already showing signs of fading into the background. It is so obvious that the companies method of busting the organizing effort has worked well for them so far. There are quite a few pilots touting the company anti-union rhetoric now that one piece of the compensation puzzle has been worked out. The company's policy of weeding out ALPA supporters in the interview process has worked out well for them.
In time, the pilots of Allegiant will inevitably see the need for a union. I can almost guarantee that. At that point it will probably be too late. That is the sad reality. I don't dispute anyone's warning that a non-union company is dangerous territory for a multitude of reasons. You're preaching to the choir with me. My point though is that from someone who has been here for 5 years, saying that all captains, or even all check airman are kool-aid drinking pro-company, anti-union weenies; and that supporting a union will get you unfair treatment by pilot managers simply isn't true here..
That's all..
03-26-2010, 01:05 PM
#287
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 90
Dude, get over it. It doesn't happen. Now can we move on?
Last edited by Shiek Yiboudi; 03-26-2010 at 03:49 PM.
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