JetMonkey

I've had my stuff in for over a year now. Even flown with a guy who knows the chief pilot and recieved a nice email from him saying he'd forward my resume to the HR dept. Haven't heard a thing...

2furloughs

You get $2000/ month until your check ride. Then normal 1st year pay after that. No training contract and no probation for the first year.

Recommendations: Come on guys... At the seniority based ALPA carriers I worked for in the past you could apply all you wanted but it would take a lightning strike to get an interview without a recommendation.

For Captains? Maybe a little political, but I'm not sure it's a bad idea. Keeps the pilot group in the loop.

Fishfreighter

The whole "recomendation" thing was the impetus for the formation of ALPA. Its called favoritism. If you don't measure up to the image that the groupthink demands, you aren't getting any recommendation letters and, by extension an upgrade.

That is the core of the seniority system. Unfortunately, non-Union carrier managers will do just about anything to subvert it, including requiring recommendation letters for upgrade.

You mean as long as he/she demonstrates the correct anti-Union attitude, at least verbally.

You're kidding, right? You demonstrate that you're a rabid Unionista at Allegiant, Virgin or jetBlue and you can kiss any aspirations you have of being an IP or Check Airman goodbye.

Exactly correct.

No it doesn't. Because there has to be a Check Airman recommendation as well. All it does is identify the Captains who may also be Unionistas if they write a rec letter for an F/O who is known for union activity.

No manager gives a hoot what pilots think with the exception of the brownnosers who work in management positions.

CLMP

This is seriously the most rediculous garbage I have ever read. As a Check Airman, I couldn't care less what the political (read: union) mentality of the candidate is. We have many former turboprop pilots who will not have the luxury of observing this aircraft from the right seat for 15 years, so we need to make sure that we have the best upgrade candidates available. If a particular FO exhibits professionalism, good judgement, adherence to SOPs, and if I believe that they will keep us off the CNN Special Reports, then they get a letter for upgrade. We have Check Airmen that are pro-union, and some that are anti-union. We have bigger fish to fry then trying to single out "union people". By spreading such B.S., you are making the "unionistas" out to be much more important than they really are.

SilkBra

I wouldn't get overly discouraged or feel snubbed. It is just that hard right now to get into Allegiant. The last class had a 757, 727, and DC9 captain in it, all with over 10,000 hours. With the new pay rates and all out and back schedule this place will be in high demand for a while, it doesn't matter what the anti-allegiant people on this board say. You might have one less guy to compete with because he thinks this place won't upgrade him in 3-4 years because he likes unions. (laughable)

I remember all that crap pilots would write years ago about how turbo prop time wouldn't be good enough with all the RJ pilots out there. They were all wrong.

Fishfreighter

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. It wouldn't surprise me if the Kahunas got together after a bid posting and decided who was going to pass before the pilot even showed up for training. Because that's how management people think. And since you're a check airman, it hardly surprises me you're toeing the Company line.

PurpleCRJ

Although not entirely accurate, there are parallels between your mentality and the definition of paranoia:

–noun
1. Psychiatry. a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.

2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

I'm mainly joking here. I just don't see this calculated effort to screw individual pilots because of their percieved union stance. If you're running an airline, I think you've got way too much to do before focusing on such minutia. All you have to do to keep ALPA off property is make a good case and email it to the pilots right before the vote.

johnso29

Of course there is no probation for the first year. Your non-union, so management can fire you whenever they want.

In regards to the recommendations, I had ZERO recommendations for both of my carriers, & both are ALPA.

CLMP

Seriously? Someone from the outside is trying to "school" me on how we run the upgrade process? The only people who should be nervous about going for upgrade are the lazy ones who feel that they will be spoonfed everything they need to know. It's a rude awakening for them but they can't say that they didn't know what the process would be like.

Getting together and deciding who was going to pass before the training starts? You can't be typing this with a straight face. The fact that you are (in so many words) calling me a company man makes ME laugh because you would be the first person to ever use that term to describe me. Trust me, Allegiant has a ton of issues that I am not afraid to admit to and fight to change. But we really don't need someone who is obviously paranoid about his union stance pontificating about the inner workings of the training department when there is no knowledge to back it up. You're doing a great job telling Noah about the flood, though. Please, enlighten us some more!

Raul Duke

For the record, I'm a very vocally pro-ALPA captain here and I'll say with confidence that union VS non-union politics has no bearing on upgrade/checkride/linecheck.

There are many reasons we need a union at AAY, but unethical behavior by mgmt pilots or favoritism on account of ones personal feelings toward a union aren't among them. Not yet anyway