johnso29

I told you how I think you should get paid.

Fishfreighter

Personally, I think you guys are taking one heckuva risk betting on that sliding pay scale. How can you plan any kind of life if the Company can change your pay based on earnings reports THEY control?

That would really bother me.

INXS

You make a good point. This new scale at worst is still much better than current rates. It takes effect 6 months prior to the end of our current agreement (May vs. November). Also, we are locked into band 3 (of 4) pay for 1 year.

As far as planning goes, look at all the airlines with unions and solid contracts that took a big hit in pay / furloughs after 911 & the latest fuel spike in '08.

My take is to hope for the best and plan for the worst. Seems to work for the pilots at Allegiant as this company has always operated outside of the norm. Working for a profitable company gives me much more security than just a fat pay scale. I had that prior to getting furloughed from brand X.

SoCalGuy

+ 1 on that.

Not to sure about the 'nuts/bolts' of that kind of compensation set up, but if I were working for a company that could slide my pay 'south' (outside of a CBA concession) based on the annual/or quarterly earnings report, I'd be skeptical too.

Anyone who has been in this industry for some period of time knows that companies have a habit of 'crying-wolf' at the drop of a hat (ie. contract time)......kinda the 'vogue' mgt style these days. When the CEO feel that their 12 vacation homes are not enough, they have a habit of painting a picture of "woo-is-me", and so goes your sliding pay scale to supplement their bonus payouts/salary. I understand that it's more complex than that, but when your peal the layers, the concept is very much there.

If that's the path that you choose, good luck on that.

MD80driver2day

No, you stated the party line.

Using your logic, you should be paid like US Airways because both companies have a proven track record of losing money.

MD80driver2day

We also know that most companies in this industry have lost money year after year. They may have a good year or two, but overall will always lose money.

Why do what obviously doesn't work?

I keep hearing the beating chests that what we're doing is wrong, yet we're the only company that has continually made money. Maybe doing things differently works for us.

Herkulesdrvr

Why should your opinion matter if you dont work for allegiant? Seems like a non issue to me. Too many people so worried about allegiant and how they should do things. VOTE no to a union, thats where the real problem is.

SoCalGuy

NOTE: I have NO SKIN in your CBA. Personally, I don't care if you get paid in Pakistani bottle caps while standing on your head. The topic of sliding pay came up, this is a message board, I added my 2 cents......

I did not say it was 'wrong', just saying there is not a chance in heck that I would feel comfy signing onto a compensation package not knowing what I was going to get paid (black-n-white), when my annual salary is based 'sliding' on annual numbers. Looking at write downs, and reporting numbers, there is just too much wiggle room for mgt/company to 'play games' after they have a labor group locked into this type of pay.

All I can say is that if a TA with this type of of compensation format was put in front of me (and I would dare say many other pilot groups), it would be voted down pretty quickly. There is already enough skepticism (labor v mgt), and to have a sliding compensation scale would only be another cog in the wheel of potential 'misfortune'.

One question I would have, if your pilot group chooses to go with this kind of format.....how is mid/upper level mgt going to be paid at your carrier?? Is their entire compensation (salary/bonus/'other pay') going to be based a sliding compensation/annual numbers as well?? If I were in your shoe's, that is something that I would want to know all the details about.....What's good for you, should be good for them.

Either way.....good luck on the group's decision and direction.

johnso29

Why don't you take a look at how much unrestricted cash DAL had at the end of 09 compared to the end of the 3rd Qtr. You'll notice that it INCREASED. Not exactly losing money, is it?

Raul Duke

As an Allegiant Pilot, I'd contribute a few things here. I've read this board anonymously for about a year, but never really felt inclined to register and post... Until now..

Chperpilot; I am very VERY confused by your internet exploits. You recently revealed your identity as chperpilot on the company forum. I for the life of me can not understand why you could ever admit to that. 4100+ posts on flightinfo, posts on every major pilot related message board, and a hard line anti-union, pro-aay management attitude. it doesn't fit your activities within AAPAG.. (or maybe it does?). The 3rd "A" in AAPAG DOES stand for "Advocacy", but the "P" before it stands for "PILOT". You have defended our low wages and substandard work-rules to everyone who expresses their negative view of it. You take people's opinion as a personal insult.

You assume a role to the pilots as a negotiating volunteer for AAPAG. How can anyone possibly believe that you can advocate responsibly on their behalf when you consistently embrace the ideals of management, you discourage the pilots ability to choose by condemning the ALPA OC volunteers, you perpetuate BLATANT MISINFORMATION such as the myth that any AAPAG agreement is legally binding, and you regularly refer to the ALPA OC as "defeated" and boast to that accord.

I believe you have some serious psychological problems related to self esteem, and you are letting that urge to spew your rhetoric get in the way of the best interest of AAY pilots. You continue to do a disservice to the pilots of Allegiant every time you lose control of the ability to censor yourself in public. This is WAY BIGGER than some simple game or competition that you can win or lose..