PCL_128

Since we've never met, that's an interesting presumption.

I'm quite familiar with labor law, and I don't need an ALPA attorney to answer this question. One thing is very clear: you can't have a legally binding contract unless you have two legally-recognized parties. APAAG does not even exist in the eyes of the law, so it is incapable of entering into any sort of contract.

I think ALPA would provide your pilots a great deal of benefit. The basic protections for your pilot certificate and medical certificate are the obvious ones. But in addition to that, you will also have a real grievance procedure to enforce your contract. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the new "TA" that Maury has offered you is legally binding. How do you enforce it if the company violates it, or if Maury just changes his mind tomorrow and changes it? Your only recourse would be federal court. Have you looked into the hourly rate of a labor attorney that is seated on the federal bench? Not exactly cost effective. No pilot at Allegiant could enforce the agreement, even if it was a legally binding document. You are basically at the whim of the company. A union changes that.

You could easily take the pay package that Maury just gave you, add a grievance procedure, and sign it the day after ALPA is certified and have a legally enforceable contract in no time flat. There is no reason that you have to spend years in negotiations, unless Maury wants to force you to do that. And if that's the case, then I guess he's not a great guy and you really do need protection, don't you? Even if you are forced into a couple of years of negotiations by the company, they are still required to honor the TA that you just received in the mean time. Where is the bad part of this deal?

PCL_128

Since there is a rather large ALPA effort under way at Allegiant, I think it's quite clear that many Allegiant pilots do want a union.

Herkulesdrvr

When 51% say so then I will agree with you, until then your just trying to cause trouble. Why are you so worried about these guys and girls? Are you a union rep?

PCL_128

I've been doing union work for years, so yes, I'm a strong believer in union representation. I believe the Allegiant pilots deserve the same protections that all other pilots deserve.

PCL_128

ALPA always aims for 10% on the organizing committee, because that usually indicates widespread interest.

The first road show was in Vegas, actually. I'm told that the road show last week in PIE was attended by over half of the pilots based in PIE in just one day. Very good attendance. Additional road shows are planned in new cities, and all information can be found at Alpa > Organizing > Allegiant Organizing

TillerEnvy

Ask PCL if there was a union on property when he paid to fly for Gulfstreem International.

PCL_128

Yes, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters was on property and negotiating our first contract. And yes, PFTing was a mistake. Thank you for your concern.

Herkulesdrvr

PCl,

How can you possibly be taken serious if you paid to fly? I think Allegiant pilots will be ok if there is no union. Do you realize that a lot of people hate unions or at the very least dont want one?

Chperplt

The first road show was in vegas... and the road show in PIE had only THREE people show up. Three people is NOT over half the pilots based in PIE.

Chperplt

No one takes PCL seriously...