Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife

Start paying 'Professional' wages.......

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Where did I advocate the line of thinking you describe?

Even if we behave like the true professionals some us have forgotten to be, there is no assurance whatsover we'll get what we diserve. We'll only get what we fight for. I'm only saying we stand NO chance of succeeding if we think being disgruntled is some sort of strategy. In effect, the other poster presumes that management perceives a penalty in our current state of mind. I guess the rationale for not acting professional is that management will be dismayed by our sad demeanor, take pity on us, and pay us more for the sheer pleasure of seeing us smiling in our crisp uniforms, and hearing us make beautiful PA's.

I'll say it again: management couldn't care less how we feel, as long as we get the plane to destination, and especially as long as they get to pay us what they pay us now. That's what matters. They like the current state of affairs. Nothing makes them happier. If I was a VP of Flt Ops, and I was reading that my guys are holding out on PA's, dry-cleaning expenses, and personal hygiene, or that they were playing Doom or Grand Theft Auto in the cockpit, with the hope that this would cause me to give them a raise... I'd pee myself from laughing silly.

So to answer your last question, I have a pretty good idea how NOT to make them treat us like professionals: acting like pouting wives, or like children in a tantrum.

Originally Posted by brianb

As the V.P. of Flt. Ops you would pee yourself from laughing at these type of Pilot antics? Perhaps you might consider a diaper.

Originally Posted by yamahas3

At the regional level at least, with the working conditions, pay, and attitudes, the last few years has produced a significant group of pilots who have never... in their adult lives... known what it is to be professional. People who should absolutely never be accepted into this industry (based on their maturity, attitudes, and professional ability) were offered positions. Why? Because the pay and quality of life is so low that professional aviators wouldn't be caught dead accepting these positions.

Management at airlines has created a subset of airline pilot positions that should have never existed. They're entry level jobs requiring minimal skill, minimal resume, and offer minimal pay and benefits. This didn't happen because mainline pilots don't wear their hats or sleep past their destination, our responsibility as mainline pilots for this is the fact that we let a lot of factors get it in our minds that it is ok to sell out everyone below us.

Yes, pilots as a whole need to sharpen themselves up. I, on a daily basis, see pilots in terminals, hear pilots on the radio, etc that embarrass me. But we also need to recognize that through scope erosion, pay concessions, we have created an entire subset of pilots that are not professionals and may never be. Instead of trying to fix it, we need to bring those jobs back up to the pay and qol standards where they command a professional aviator to fill the seat.

Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot

I've been flying for over 16 years, have almost 9000 hours, and have worked at two airlines, and I have never been taught to recover from a stall the way that crew attempted to. Pulling back on the yoke, not adding full power, and retracting the gear and flaps is NOT the way to recover from a stall in any aircraft.

Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife

Start paying 'Professional' wages.......

Originally Posted by FredDriver

I've been taught to never enter a stall. They put themselves in that position carelessly. If you ever find yourself in a stall in a big airplane (outside the sim), you were never instructed very well or you have a simple death wish.

Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot

Oh... and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter what kind of aircraft I'm flying or how much I'm getting paid, I'm still a professional pilot. I'm going to act and fly professionally regardless of whether I'm flying as a CFI in a 152 making $15K a year or I'm the Captain of a 747 making $200K a year. Part of being a professional is being able to separate yourself from all the crap and do your job.

Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull

particularly pilots at smaller, regional airlines who often are paid less and have less experience than pilots at major airlines. He has urged veteran pilots to mentor less experienced pilots.