FAA probe of American Airlines may widen: rep
10-18-2009, 11:22 AM
#11
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As pilots if we do do anything 'substandard' or unusual, the FAA will go after us individually with a vengance. But it is an 'unusual tactic' for the FAA to go after mechanics or inspectors who are 'substandard'? Wow, I thought all of us in safety sensitive positions were held to the same level.
Now if we could just get management held to that standard as well...
Now if we could just get management held to that standard as well...
No offense taken 11, the subject of Mx and outsourcing is just near and dear to my heart and I was just disturbed by the attitudes of the pilots at my former airline who just didn't seem to care. I no longer work as an A&P. My job was outsourced to communist, mainland China around 2004 and I was shown the door in 2005 after 15 years working both overhaul and line maintenance. The up side is that I plowed through my ratings and I am now working as pilot at an FBO giving flight instruction and flying the occasional charter. I don't get dirty anymore....lol..I just bothers me when I read about shoddy Mx because IMHO the quallity just isn't there any longer and as we all know, the FAA is a tombstone agency...
JetDoc, I'm glad you were able to turn your situation around. However, hearing about your situation worries me. We are losing the industrial skills which made this country great. The guys like you with the skills you grew up with, no offense here, are dinasours. The 20 something generations are growing up completely without the skills that were once the norm in technical and votech schools. Why? Several reasons. Most parents expect their kids to go to school. Jobs in those fields are slowing fading overseas. Computers, are dominating every field now.
Hopefully AA's problems are just an isolated incident. We can't allow out companies to put unsafe aircraft into the air.
10-19-2009, 06:15 AM
#12
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No offense taken 11, the subject of Mx and outsourcing is just near and dear to my heart and I was just disturbed by the attitudes of the pilots at my former airline who just didn't seem to care. I no longer work as an A&P. My job was outsourced to communist, mainland China around 2004 and I was shown the door in 2005 after 15 years working both overhaul and line maintenance. The up side is that I plowed through my ratings and I am now working as pilot at an FBO giving flight instruction and flying the occasional charter. I don't get dirty anymore....lol..I just bothers me when I read about shoddy Mx because IMHO the quallity just isn't there any longer and as we all know, the FAA is a tombstone agency...
Could not agree more with your assessment of the FAA.
10-19-2009, 09:25 AM
#13
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Position: 777 FO
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NEDude, I absolutely agree with you. Everyone in the chain of safety should be held accountabe. If you are a maintenance worker and you perform shoddy work, you should be held liable. This goes for supervisors who sign off on the work. And then, there is management. Good luck in ever proving that management is cupable. But yes, if they are responsible, fry them too.
JetDoc, I'm glad you were able to turn your situation around. However, hearing about your situation worries me. We are losing the industrial skills which made this country great. The guys like you with the skills you grew up with, no offense here, are dinasours. The 20 something generations are growing up completely without the skills that were once the norm in technical and votech schools. Why? Several reasons. Most parents expect their kids to go to school. Jobs in those fields are slowing fading overseas. Computers, are dominating every field now.
Hopefully AA's problems are just an isolated incident. We can't allow out companies to put unsafe aircraft into the air.
JetDoc, I'm glad you were able to turn your situation around. However, hearing about your situation worries me. We are losing the industrial skills which made this country great. The guys like you with the skills you grew up with, no offense here, are dinasours. The 20 something generations are growing up completely without the skills that were once the norm in technical and votech schools. Why? Several reasons. Most parents expect their kids to go to school. Jobs in those fields are slowing fading overseas. Computers, are dominating every field now.
Hopefully AA's problems are just an isolated incident. We can't allow out companies to put unsafe aircraft into the air.
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10-19-2009, 09:58 AM
#14
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Posts: 24
not in America. In 2003 I was "down-sized" with 11 other American colleagues.
3 months later we were replaced with jobs located off-shore working for less salary and no benefits.
Outsourcing is the number one reason, in my book anyway, why the employment situation is the way it is in this country.
10-19-2009, 11:37 AM
#15
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I had one grounded by the FAA a while back because their was a "lipstick kiss" print on the registration certificate in the cockpit. The FAA rep said the plane would go no where till the registration in the door had been replaced with a "non defaced" one. Amazing.......and then they wonder why we can't make any money. I wonder if the CA who took the plane after it was signed off made an announcement to the passengers that the airplane had been deemed "non airworthy" because of some pathetic non-sense that the FAA deemed important. Amazing..........
10-19-2009, 04:53 PM
#16
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Position: MD11 CA (rtd.)
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MX is as ****ed a the pilots these days at AA. My buddy refused a widebody for international flight and they had to kick the 250 pax off the flight and ground the a/c. Operations told them to take the plane to LAX cause they had a spare and by the time they got there it went 'mechanical'. What a mess.
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