The Delta "wind check"
10-12-2009, 03:02 PM
#81
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Hi!
"It's a military thing.
Military pilots are alway trying to make every landing perfect"
I flew a bunch with an A-10 guy, who had a very interesting opinion. He was also a UAL guy, and we were talking about the "who can land better" thing. He said in A-10s, there was no "good" or "better" or "smooth" landing. He said, in the A-10, they would land. You either land, or you don't land.
He explained that a "good" landing was about 83 items down the list in priority of what was important. They had all kinds of other stuff that was more important. If you landed, and could taxi in to your spot, it was good. If you had to eject, or you crashed, it was bad.
My goal, is to land after every takeoff. So far, I am 100%, and I try my best to keep it that way.
cliff
NBO
"It's a military thing.
Military pilots are alway trying to make every landing perfect"
I flew a bunch with an A-10 guy, who had a very interesting opinion. He was also a UAL guy, and we were talking about the "who can land better" thing. He said in A-10s, there was no "good" or "better" or "smooth" landing. He said, in the A-10, they would land. You either land, or you don't land.
He explained that a "good" landing was about 83 items down the list in priority of what was important. They had all kinds of other stuff that was more important. If you landed, and could taxi in to your spot, it was good. If you had to eject, or you crashed, it was bad.
My goal, is to land after every takeoff. So far, I am 100%, and I try my best to keep it that way.
cliff
NBO
10-12-2009, 03:20 PM
#82
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Hi!
"It's a military thing.
Military pilots are alway trying to make every landing perfect"
I flew a bunch with an A-10 guy, who had a very interesting opinion. He was also a UAL guy, and we were talking about the "who can land better" thing. He said in A-10s, there was no "good" or "better" or "smooth" landing. He said, in the A-10, they would land. You either land, or you don't land.
He explained that a "good" landing was about 83 items down the list in priority of what was important. They had all kinds of other stuff that was more important. If you landed, and could taxi in to your spot, it was good. If you had to eject, or you crashed, it was bad.
My goal, is to land after every takeoff. So far, I am 100%, and I try my best to keep it that way.
cliff
NBO
"It's a military thing.
Military pilots are alway trying to make every landing perfect"
I flew a bunch with an A-10 guy, who had a very interesting opinion. He was also a UAL guy, and we were talking about the "who can land better" thing. He said in A-10s, there was no "good" or "better" or "smooth" landing. He said, in the A-10, they would land. You either land, or you don't land.
He explained that a "good" landing was about 83 items down the list in priority of what was important. They had all kinds of other stuff that was more important. If you landed, and could taxi in to your spot, it was good. If you had to eject, or you crashed, it was bad.
My goal, is to land after every takeoff. So far, I am 100%, and I try my best to keep it that way.
cliff
NBO
10-12-2009, 03:23 PM
#83
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Very good point CAVOK. I am an active CFI. I purposely train at uncontrolled airports without wx information. When asked about wind conditions, I respond who gives a rat's a$$... just land the plane and we'll discuss it on the ground.
After the plane is on the ground taxying in to the FBO I enjoy watching the smirk on the student's face. I ask him, well what about the wind? They say... "We don't need no stinken wind reports!"
That is what I like to transcend to my students when conducting line training on the NG. Who give a rat’s a$$... just fly and land the damn jet, and we’ll talk about it on the ground. You know what??? I get the same smart a$$ smirk form the newbie in the right seat. It's a beautiful thing.
After the plane is on the ground taxying in to the FBO I enjoy watching the smirk on the student's face. I ask him, well what about the wind? They say... "We don't need no stinken wind reports!"
That is what I like to transcend to my students when conducting line training on the NG. Who give a rat’s a$$... just fly and land the damn jet, and we’ll talk about it on the ground. You know what??? I get the same smart a$$ smirk form the newbie in the right seat. It's a beautiful thing.
10-12-2009, 03:53 PM
#85
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Hi!
"Your A10 buddy might think any landing is a good one..."
That is what I thought was fascinating, and I hadn't ever thought of it this way: He didn't think ANY landing was good....or bad
He said you either land, or you don't land.
cliff
NBO
"Your A10 buddy might think any landing is a good one..."
That is what I thought was fascinating, and I hadn't ever thought of it this way: He didn't think ANY landing was good....or bad
He said you either land, or you don't land.
cliff
NBO
10-12-2009, 03:58 PM
#86
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Might have been flying boxes or single seat aircraft without a couple hundred critics in the back for too long.
That's kinda like saying a landing you can walk away from is a good one.
I consider a good landing one that is exactly on speed, exactly in the touchdown zone, exactly on centerline, smooth touchdown, and appropriate deceleration to make the required turnoff.
Anything other than that and I'm mentally debriefing myself on what I could have done better.
10-12-2009, 04:06 PM
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...
That is what I like to transcend to my students when conducting line training on the NG. Who give a rat’s a$$... just fly and land the damn jet, and we’ll talk about it on the ground. You know what??? I get the same smart a$$ smirk form the newbie in the right seat. It's a beautiful thing.
That is what I like to transcend to my students when conducting line training on the NG. Who give a rat’s a$$... just fly and land the damn jet, and we’ll talk about it on the ground. You know what??? I get the same smart a$$ smirk form the newbie in the right seat. It's a beautiful thing.
10-12-2009, 05:22 PM
#88
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Really guys, it takes 9 pages to discuss this?
Y'all are more sensitive than Obama at a Fox news luncheon!
Y'all are more sensitive than Obama at a Fox news luncheon!
10-12-2009, 05:38 PM
#89
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Bottom Line:
If you want a wind check, ask for one. If you don't want one, then friggin land the plane and quit pestering the people who do want one. Go read a book or something and quit wasting time!
10-12-2009, 06:49 PM
#90
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The trusty NG, or other Boeing products that I have flown do not have the donut. The speed tape in turbulent conditions can be quite an effort to read. As you know the information presented on the PFD goes through alot of information processing before you see it. Starting with Bernoullies, converted to googoo-fonics in the ADIRU then off to the symbol generator and voila the PFD. The standby ASI is a lot less jumpy.
That's it, I'm staying on the Maddog until they're gone.
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