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Old 10-02-2009, 08:40 PM
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Didn't see the thread elsewhere on here, so I'll take the risk of kicking it off:

Just saw the new Michael Moore Capitalism: A love story. There's a section in the movie where they're talking about pay and he brings up the subject of pilot pay. Interestingly, in one of his books he brought up the same subject years ago.

In the film, he shows Sullenberger testifying talking about how much his love for flying has cost him, his family and fellow pilots dearly. They interview one female pilot who claims she made 18k and later 22k and owes about 100k in education. Another pilot, somewhat plump, speaks with his back towards the camera talking about how he was on foodstamps. A UAL pilot talks about how the regionals are willing to work for cheaper and take work away. Also mentioned is how airlines are willing to exploit peoples love to fly for being given crap wages.

It was interesting to watch peoples reaction in the audience when the actual salaries were mentioned.

At the end of the credits, there is a line on the screen about Pennies for Pilots and a tip can (sorry, don't recall the exact wording).
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Didn't see the thread elsewhere on here, so I'll take the risk of kicking it off:

Just saw the new Michael Moore Capitalism: A love story. There's a section in the movie where they're talking about pay and he brings up the subject of pilot pay. Interestingly, in one of his books he brought up the same subject years ago.

In the film, he shows Sullenberger testifying talking about how much his love for flying has cost him, his family and fellow pilots dearly. They interview one female pilot who claims she made 18k and later 22k and owes about 100k in education. Another pilot, somewhat plump, speaks with his back towards the camera talking about how he was on foodstamps. A UAL pilot talks about how the regionals are willing to work for cheaper and take work away. Also mentioned is how airlines are willing to exploit peoples love to fly for being given crap wages.

It was interesting to watch peoples reaction in the audience when the actual salaries were mentioned.

At the end of the credits, there is a line on the screen about Pennies for Pilots and a tip can (sorry, don't recall the exact wording).
Ok , I will bite .The peoples reaction , laughed with glee, where shocked , didn't care, flipped the screen off, what kind of reaction did they have?
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Ok , I will bite .The peoples reaction , laughed with glee, where shocked , didn't care, flipped the screen off, what kind of reaction did they have?
Shocked, but it probably wont amount into anyone doing anything about it or thinking twice when clicking to purchase a ticket on Priceline or Travelocity. Nor will it make people think twice about what airline they ride. They didn't get into the nitty gritty of why there are regional airlines, either.

They also highlighted the Colgan crash and mentioned that the news media neglected to bring up what topics the crew was speaking about before the accident. Also brought up was what side jobs some pilots have to help with the bills.

Moores films give you enough to make you think a bit and elicit some emotion. Granted, hes done better over time in displaying facts rather than false information and camera tricks (Bowling for Columbine). But maybe it might get people thinking. The airline pilot scene was shown after a young teenager is talking about his dream to fly, of which Moore warns that hes got another surprise coming (after being locked up for an extended duration in a private-ran detention center).
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Wont take long for right wingers to attack this character, but at least he is doing ALPA's job for free for us....
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I'm pretty sure he gets paid..
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I'm pretty sure he gets paid..
Whether he gets paid or not doesn't matter.....at least he is getting the facts out about how our love for flying is used against us....and we accept it unfortunately.
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Moore is a multi millionaire. You got charged to watch this, and it didn't change a thing. It did make Moore richer though.
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Moore is a multi millionaire. You got charged to watch this, and it didn't change a thing. It did make Moore richer though.
Moore was just on the Howard Stern show the other day and when Howard made this accusation, Moore insisted that he is not even remotely a millionaire, actually.

I believe him. Don't see why the guy would lie.
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Moore was just on the Howard Stern show the other day and when Howard made this accusation, Moore insisted that he is not even remotely a millionaire, actually.

I believe him. Don't see why the guy would lie.

He would lie because getting rich from the capitalist system doesn't fit the narative he's trying to exploit.
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
Moore was just on the Howard Stern show the other day and when Howard made this accusation, Moore insisted that he is not even remotely a millionaire, actually.

I believe him. Don't see why the guy would lie.
Check your facts, there is really no reason to believe anything this guy tells you. It is just too easy to find the truth these days, look at the history and the chain of events.

"Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."
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