Pilots pay highlighted in new Moore film
10-04-2009, 04:34 PM
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Yes, I am sure if I speak nicely of corporate America they will stop cutting our jobs, and pay and pensions......
We'll see how that works.
Once again, it's not about the messenger, it's about the message.
We'll see how that works.
Once again, it's not about the messenger, it's about the message.
10-04-2009, 04:37 PM
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Interesting discussion. I haven't seen the movie yet, and may or may not depending on what else is on. But, to those who won't because of who made it, Ill remind you that it's simple Sun Su to know everything about your enemy (who ever that is) to defeat them. In other words, read/watch both sides. Or even watch BOTH Fox and MSNBC.
Ferd <-----retired military guy, so I've been force fed such thinking
Ferd <-----retired military guy, so I've been force fed such thinking
10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
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Hey New, I hear Aeroflot is hiring. Plus, if you go with them, I move up one number at Mother Delta. Che is dead, dude.
10-04-2009, 04:50 PM
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I can assure you that Aeroflot pilots do a lot better than most pilots in the USA... And they are not hiring at the moment. It is interesting to find out that even the top 1% is browsing these boards.
10-04-2009, 04:56 PM
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So...I posted the initial article to bring light of the fact that pilot pay issues were being shown in a film that I'd consider mainstream.
Can anyone else point to any effort that has brought this issue in the mainstream, perhaps in front of a movie audience? Last time I checked, the only other film out there depicting pilot quality of life was Catch Me If You Can...and it reinforced the pilot playboy stereotype (of yesteryear).
Whether or not you care about Michael Moore or what the rest of the film had to say...is the message wrong when it came to pilots dilemmas?
Also, I learned that there was a lot more to Jungle than him posting the best photographs in the forum
Can anyone else point to any effort that has brought this issue in the mainstream, perhaps in front of a movie audience? Last time I checked, the only other film out there depicting pilot quality of life was Catch Me If You Can...and it reinforced the pilot playboy stereotype (of yesteryear).
Whether or not you care about Michael Moore or what the rest of the film had to say...is the message wrong when it came to pilots dilemmas?
Also, I learned that there was a lot more to Jungle than him posting the best photographs in the forum
mainstream thought can easily point to several possible bogeymen. The problem comes when the regulators are as large or larger in their involvement in the problem as those thought to be the problem. Seperating the real target from the chaff is where it gets interesting. There are at least two targets mentioned, but not many of us need such a cartoonish presentation to figure that out.
A more apt title might be "Corruption- A Love Story", because the Capitalist portion of it is crushed by the twin prongs of one side being bought
and sold by the other to the point that it becomes unclear as to which one is buying the other.
We do know who's money they are using though.
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10-04-2009, 05:07 PM
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. I'm out boys, have a good one
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10-04-2009, 05:29 PM
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I haven't seen the film yet, so I'll withhold judgement. It sounds interesting and I will see it, though.
I think we all agree that something is wrong with the airline industry. We may have different opinions of why things have gone bad, but I think we all agree times are tough for pilots. If nothing else the film has brought attention to that and obviously has sparked further debate. I think that's a good thing.
As far as capitalism/our republican form of government/politics, I think another common thread that we all can agree on is that power balance ebbs and flows and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's why there's balances and checks built into our system--- to try to dampen huge sways in power and corruption. I would argue, and I think we all would agree on this, that power has greatly shifted away from pilots the past couple decades (for a variety of reasons).
You can call this sway of power by many different names.
I think we all agree that something is wrong with the airline industry. We may have different opinions of why things have gone bad, but I think we all agree times are tough for pilots. If nothing else the film has brought attention to that and obviously has sparked further debate. I think that's a good thing.
As far as capitalism/our republican form of government/politics, I think another common thread that we all can agree on is that power balance ebbs and flows and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's why there's balances and checks built into our system--- to try to dampen huge sways in power and corruption. I would argue, and I think we all would agree on this, that power has greatly shifted away from pilots the past couple decades (for a variety of reasons).
You can call this sway of power by many different names.
10-04-2009, 06:39 PM
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Check your facts, there is really no reason to believe anything this guy tells you. It is just too easy to find the truth these days, look at the history and the chain of events.
"Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."
"Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11."
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