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Old 10-03-2009, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chente
Whether he gets paid or not doesn't matter.....at least he is getting the facts out about how our love for flying is used against us....and we accept it unfortunately.
The problem with Moore is that he's not a credible source. Cuba has the best health care in the world, for example. He always paints people as victims. I'm sure he didn't interview captains making $200K because that doesn't fit his template. I won't be giving him my $7.99.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:03 AM
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Moore was just on the Howard Stern show the other day and when Howard made this accusation, Moore insisted that he is not even remotely a millionaire, actually.

I believe him. Don't see why the guy would lie.

I'll bet Michael Vick is reallllly sorry too. Oh, and he's broke also.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
The problem with Moore is that he's not a credible source. Cuba has the best health care in the world, for example. He always paints people as victims. I'm sure he didn't interview captains making $200K because that doesn't fit his template. I won't be giving him my $7.99.
what state you live in? It's like almost 13 bucks out here in cali
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
The problem with Moore is that he's not a credible source. Cuba has the best health care in the world, for example. He always paints people as victims. I'm sure he didn't interview captains making $200K because that doesn't fit his template. I won't be giving him my $7.99.
I get all that. No argument here. But I think it's good that he's giving the fact that some regional pilots out there make nothing for a living a voice. It cant be a bad thing....regardless of whether you like him or hate him.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:21 AM
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I'll bite. If anybody watched the interview you know that Moore does pay taxes, and would not object to paying more taxes if the public would see a benefit from it. He made it clear that the American people pay taxes and an increase would create no direct benefit.
I always love this when rich people say they wouldn't mind paying more taxes.

Under the current tax code, you're allowed to pay more than the current rate. It ain't like the IRS is going to return it. It's perfectly legal to donate money to the federal government and even put it on your tax forms.

I seem to remember that Jimmy Carter used to do it every year.

So he should put his money where his mouth is and just pay more.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:21 AM
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What I don't understand, but KNEW was going to happen, is why some people look to see WHO said what instead of WHAT was said.

Who cares about the person who said that pilots were underpaid?

The REAL question that gets lost in the discussion --probably by design -- is ARE pilots underpaid? Did pilots get screwed out of their pensions, pay and workrules?

Personally, I don't care if David Duke said pilots have been screwed. If he did, I'd have to say, "I have to agree with that."

Some of you need to let the politics go and look to the issues. Debate those issues and leave the personalities out of it.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
What I don't understand, but KNEW was going to happen, is why some people look to see WHO said what instead of WHAT was said.

Who cares about the person who said that pilots were underpaid?

The REAL question that gets lost in the discussion --probably by design -- is ARE pilots underpaid? Did pilots get screwed out of their pensions, pay and workrules?

Personally, I don't care if David Duke said pilots have been screwed. If he did, I'd have to say, "I have to agree with that."

Some of you need to let the politics go and look to the issues. Debate those issues and leave the personalities out of it.
Please don't bring reason into this debate...
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Originally Posted by newKnow
What I don't understand, but KNEW was going to happen, is why some people look to see WHO said what instead of WHAT was said.

Who cares about the person who said that pilots were underpaid?

The REAL question that gets lost in the discussion --probably by design -- is ARE pilots underpaid? Did pilots get screwed out of their pensions, pay and workrules?

Personally, I don't care if David Duke said pilots have been screwed. If he did, I'd have to say, "I have to agree with that."

Some of you need to let the politics go and look to the issues. Debate those issues and leave the personalities out of it.
+1! I couldn't have said it better. Who cares if Moore is a millionaire. The issue he is bringing up is relevant to us as pilots. Moore has in the past brought up some interesting and very relevant issues, whether you agree with him or not. I am glad someone has the guts to bring the sorry state of pilot pay issue to light.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:37 AM
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By the way what does it even matter if the entire world knows that pilots are underpaid? What is that going to change? What is that going to get us? Sympathy...

We as pilots accept it every time we sign POS contracts. Just look at contracts that have been signed at the regionals.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:40 AM
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By the way what does it even matter if the entire world knows that pilots are underpaid? What is that going to change? What is that going to get us? Sympathy...

We as pilots accept it every time we sign POS contracts. Just look at contracts that have been signed at the regionals.
Discussing the issue is a step in the right direction. If it's not even discussed, it is swept under the rug just the way airline management wants.
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