Rnav/gps/rnp
08-20-2009, 04:14 PM
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08-20-2009, 05:03 PM
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I am NOT a media troll
. I am a CFII (and fairly new) and am familiar with the approaches themselves. In fact I think they are a great addition to some of these small podunk airports. I am writing a term paper about the RNAV/GPS/RNP as a response to this article in aviation week FAA Criticized Over RNAV/RNP Strategy | AVIATION WEEK. I am looking for input from the airline pilots themselves. In this article is seems that it is airline management that is complaining about the new procedures. I am trying to get the pilots perspective and any insight about the program.
. I am a CFII (and fairly new) and am familiar with the approaches themselves. In fact I think they are a great addition to some of these small podunk airports. I am writing a term paper about the RNAV/GPS/RNP as a response to this article in aviation week FAA Criticized Over RNAV/RNP Strategy | AVIATION WEEK. I am looking for input from the airline pilots themselves. In this article is seems that it is airline management that is complaining about the new procedures. I am trying to get the pilots perspective and any insight about the program.
08-20-2009, 05:09 PM
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I am NOT a media troll. I am a CFII (and fairly new) and am familiar with the approaches themselves. In fact I think they are a great addition to some of these small podunk airports. I am writing a term paper about the RNAV/GPS/RNP as a response to this article in aviation week FAA Criticized Over RNAV/RNP Strategy | AVIATION WEEK. I am looking for input from the airline pilots themselves. In this article is seems that it is airline management that is complaining about the new procedures. I am trying to get the pilots perspective and any insight about the program.
BTW...I HATE the news media.
. I am a CFII (and fairly new) and am familiar with the approaches themselves. In fact I think they are a great addition to some of these small podunk airports. I am writing a term paper about the RNAV/GPS/RNP as a response to this article in aviation week FAA Criticized Over RNAV/RNP Strategy | AVIATION WEEK. I am looking for input from the airline pilots themselves. In this article is seems that it is airline management that is complaining about the new procedures. I am trying to get the pilots perspective and any insight about the program.BTW...I HATE the news media.
To answer your question, we already use them at my airline to some degree, and they work just fine. I can certainly see them being adopted eventually in lieu of certain non-precision approaches further down the line as the resources are allocated.
08-20-2009, 05:14 PM
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I'm actually amazed by the number of airline pilots who think they already fly RNP approaches who actually don't know what it is.
My opinion is the FAA isn't moving fast enough on RNP.
BTW, RNAV/LNAV and RNP are not the same thing. Very few airlines use actual RNP approaches. I think Alaska, and WestJet do. Not sure about the others. There's very few RNP approaches approved.
My opinion is the FAA isn't moving fast enough on RNP.
BTW, RNAV/LNAV and RNP are not the same thing. Very few airlines use actual RNP approaches. I think Alaska, and WestJet do. Not sure about the others. There's very few RNP approaches approved.
08-20-2009, 05:15 PM
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My Airline is currently certifying all pilots at their PC's, so currently we can only shoot the approaches if Both pilots are qualified. I have flown them for years in GA, and they work very well, no complaints so far. We fly the dep procedures at the airline and they work very well.
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08-20-2009, 05:17 PM
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You need to read up on the Nextgen program. It is all about Rnav,Gps, and digital data. Some good stuff. They have a lot of work to do. This is to be in place sometime in 2016. The kicker will be for the airlines, there is equipment that has to be purchased for the aircraft and that will cost. Some airlines have signed up, others I wonder if they even know what expense is ahead.
08-20-2009, 05:17 PM
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I understand about the media thing. I think that it is sad that the news media would even consider using the forums to dig up dirt
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That being said. Have you noticed any differences? Shorter flight times? Less fuel? Better routing/handling? Is this article another item that management has decided to add to their "why-we-are-not-making-any-profit" list? Is RNP a problem for the airline too? What I know of RNP is you have to have a GPS and be able to meet certain climb gradients and airspeed requirements. Is this all that RNP consists of or is this 'new CFII all you need to know is...' answer?
I know I am asking a BUNCH of questions, I am just trying to get a better understanding of how the system works.
. That being said. Have you noticed any differences? Shorter flight times? Less fuel? Better routing/handling? Is this article another item that management has decided to add to their "why-we-are-not-making-any-profit" list? Is RNP a problem for the airline too? What I know of RNP is you have to have a GPS and be able to meet certain climb gradients and airspeed requirements. Is this all that RNP consists of or is this 'new CFII all you need to know is...' answer?
I know I am asking a BUNCH of questions, I am just trying to get a better understanding of how the system works.
08-20-2009, 05:18 PM
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You need to read up on the Nextgen program. It is all about Rnav,Gps, and digital data. Some good stuff. They have a lot of work to do. This is to be in place sometime in 2016. The kicker will be for the airlines, there is equipment that has to be purchased for the aircraft and that will cost. Some airlines have signed up, others I wonder if they even know what expense is ahead.
