F9, WN, and RAH-Everyone got what they wanted

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08-15-2009, 08:03 AM

#21

B757200ER

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What noone here is stating is that SWA's stock will lose $1-2 of its value, and it's market value will drop because of their failure to acquire F9. The SWA BOD is probably angry with CEO Kelly for allowing the pilot's union to drive the integration process. SWA was all about acquiring F9 and increasing market share in a valuable market---DEN. Now, a competitor purchased F9 and SWA was left holding the bag. You don't normally see management allow labor to control business decisions, like acquisitions.

08-15-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by UCLAbruins

(A) join Southwest at the bottom
(B) join a regional in the middle

I'd take option A any day

Which most likely means you don't work at F9.

08-15-2009, 08:19 AM

#23

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Originally Posted by TrojanUSC

Im pretty sure the Lynx guys didn't get what they wanted. They all thought they were going to get a SWA number.

Ha... that's a good one. I admit there is a small group of pilots around here who thought that might happen.

Most of us knew better. Can't blame the kids for reaching for the stars can you!

Been an interesting week... best of luck to everyone involved.

08-15-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by B757200ER

You don't normally see management allow labor to control business decisions, like acquisitions.

That's because most management teams can't account for the value of human equity. It looks like at SWA, that may be different.

08-15-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HSLD

That's because most management teams can't account for the value of human equity. It looks like at SWA, that may be different.

And it makes you wonder why they have been successful for 30+ years while other airlines go by the wayside.

08-15-2009, 09:04 AM

#26

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Who's to point at when this lost deal comes up future? Is it Mr Kelly?

Wonder what a crowbar feels like between the ribs... better smile!

08-15-2009, 09:22 AM

#27

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Originally Posted by B757200ER

You have to understand that killing the deal if no labor agreement could be reached was not done purely out of the goodness of their hearts, Southwest wanted no part of an arbitration. They have watched the US Air/America West fiasco and wanted no part of that mess. Although SWAPA stated that A/M would not apply I don't believe that to be true. In the end GK made a sound business decision that would not destroy the good will he enjoys, or the company culture. I for one thank him and his sound judgement. He did what was best to protect his employees just as FAPA did.

08-15-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvJockey

The biggest winner in all of this seniority integration nightmare?? The SWA poolies. Congrats, guys.

Thanks LJ. The whitecaps are starting to subside in here. Thought my little dingy was going to capsize but I'm still afloat. The next few months should be an indicator of how much longer we'll be swimming.

This whole thing was a win/win for SWA. Win the auction and they got an immediate boost to be a major player in DEN while lessening competition. By losing they gained goodwill with the SWAPA pilot group which could possibly lead to a TA sooner rather than later. They also got a good long look at Frontier's books, etc which I'm sure will help them forge their "Plan B" in DEN.

08-15-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tpmagee

They also got a good long look at Frontier's books, etc which I'm sure will help them forge their "Plan B" in DEN.

The books that are (guessing here?) 20% of Republics makeup. Frontier is no longer that airline. Better go get Midwest Express, Republic, Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Linx, etc.... The game has changed!

Now watch SWA hire one of these subsidiaries for some RJ work...