UAL 232 Twenty Years Ago
07-19-2009, 07:22 AM
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UAL 232 Twenty Years Ago
Hard to imagine it's been 20 years, but Capt. Haynes is still a remarkable man and there's still plenty to learn from this incident.
From Seattle Times:
Twenty years ago today, passengers and crew aboard United Airlines flight 232 from Denver to Chicago heard a loud midair blast at the rear of the plane. The engine mounted in the tail of the DC-10 had exploded at 37,000 feet.
With two good engines still operating on the wings, Capt. Al Haynes, of Seattle, wasn't unduly worried as he shut down the fuel flow to the dead engine.
But shrapnel from the exploding engine had severed all the hydraulic lines.
Local News | 20 years ago, pilot's heroic efforts saved 185 people as plane crashed | Seattle Times Newspaper
Twenty years ago today, passengers and crew aboard United Airlines flight 232 from Denver to Chicago heard a loud midair blast at the rear of the plane. The engine mounted in the tail of the DC-10 had exploded at 37,000 feet.
With two good engines still operating on the wings, Capt. Al Haynes, of Seattle, wasn't unduly worried as he shut down the fuel flow to the dead engine.
But shrapnel from the exploding engine had severed all the hydraulic lines.
Local News | 20 years ago, pilot's heroic efforts saved 185 people as plane crashed | Seattle Times Newspaper
07-19-2009, 07:26 AM
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Hate to call a story with fatalities a good one, but that truly was a remarkable job done by that flight crew. No one should have survived that and 185 did. I wonder if those 185 people think pilots are overpaid, but we don't need to go down that road. It's probably one of the best examples of CRM we'll ever see.
07-19-2009, 07:39 AM
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Two words, two syllables - Old School. I had the pleasure of meeting Al Haynes at a speech he gave about 17 years ago. Humble, honest and unbelievable to listen to. Sully and Al did it right. No doubt about it. I remember hearing that after the accident UAL had multiple check airman try and fly the profile. No one was able to do it successfully as Al's crew did.
07-19-2009, 09:05 AM
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YouTube - One hell of a tale (part 1)
all respect to ca haynes
but he wasnt alone in that cockpit
found after reading this thread
t/y vagabond for the worthy reminder of the very memorable day - both bad and good
20 years ... where do the time go
all respect to ca haynes
but he wasnt alone in that cockpit
found after reading this thread
t/y vagabond for the worthy reminder of the very memorable day - both bad and good
20 years ... where do the time go
07-19-2009, 06:53 PM
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The sad reality is, the redesign of the #3 Hydraulic system means that this accident can happen again --- although it provides you will a little more steering.
The USAF had one modified aircraft experience a catastrophic #2 Engine failure and they lost all hydraulics except for the items the redesign protected. They were on takeoff roll and were able to abort. I doubt they would have been able to rotate and leave te runway had they been past V1.
The USAF had one modified aircraft experience a catastrophic #2 Engine failure and they lost all hydraulics except for the items the redesign protected. They were on takeoff roll and were able to abort. I doubt they would have been able to rotate and leave te runway had they been past V1.
07-20-2009, 05:29 AM
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My understanding (I could be wrong) is that MD solved this problem with the MD-11. Instead of routing hydraulic lines in parallel in line with the rear engine, they installed a fuel tank in their place, so that now under the same circumstances (hot shrapnel from a disitigrating compressor or turbine) it will blow the entire tail off.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
07-20-2009, 11:39 AM
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Capt. Haynes came to Oakland Center a few years after the incident. Very humble and talented man.
I don't agree with the "old school" comments from above. Proper CRM is actually "new school", and he obviously was quite proficient at making it happen, as opposed to old school, "I'm the captain, my controls, what the <removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> did you do, you < removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> First Officer?"
Note: my third attempt at posting thi*********
Oh... but he did initially take controls... and figured out that he couldn't control it. Then CRM began.
Capt. Haynes came to Oakland Center a few years after the incident. Very humble and talented man.
I don't agree with the "old school" comments from above. Proper CRM is actually "new school", and he obviously was quite proficient at making it happen, as opposed to old school, "I'm the captain, my controls, what the <removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> did you do, you < removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> First Officer?"
Note: my third attempt at posting thi*********
Oh... but he did initially take controls... and figured out that he couldn't control it. Then CRM began.
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