UAL 232 Twenty Years Ago
07-20-2009, 01:55 PM
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As he constantly reminds people whenever he gets the chance. Get it straight, folks:
Al Haynes, CA
Bill Records, FO
Dudley Dvorak, SO
Denny Fitch, Check Airman ("Guy from the Back")
I'd be nowhere near a cockpit if it weren't for these guys. They showed me where the bar was set before I was even in Kindergarten.
Al Haynes, CA
Bill Records, FO
Dudley Dvorak, SO
Denny Fitch, Check Airman ("Guy from the Back")
I'd be nowhere near a cockpit if it weren't for these guys. They showed me where the bar was set before I was even in Kindergarten.
07-20-2009, 02:31 PM
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Capt. Haynes came to Oakland Center a few years after the incident. Very humble and talented man.
I don't agree with the "old school" comments from above. Proper CRM is actually "new school", and he obviously was quite proficient at making it happen, as opposed to old school, "I'm the captain, my controls, what the <removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> did you do, you < removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> First Officer?"
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Oh... but he did initially take controls... and figured out that he couldn't control it. Then CRM began.
Capt. Haynes came to Oakland Center a few years after the incident. Very humble and talented man.
I don't agree with the "old school" comments from above. Proper CRM is actually "new school", and he obviously was quite proficient at making it happen, as opposed to old school, "I'm the captain, my controls, what the <removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> did you do, you < removed naughty letter that may indicate profanity> First Officer?"
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Oh... but he did initially take controls... and figured out that he couldn't control it. Then CRM began.
07-20-2009, 02:48 PM
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Charleton Heston played Al Haynes
Richard "John Boy" Thomas played Gary Brown, Sioux City Emergency Services Director
and
James Coubourn(sp?) played Jim Hathaway, Airport Fire Chief
It was a great movie. Check it out if you get the chance.
07-20-2009, 02:55 PM
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In 1992 (I think), ABC made a movie on this crash. It was called "Crash Landing: The Rescue of Flight 232". It was done very well! You can find it on Amazon under the name of "A Thousand Heroes". I think it's only available in VHS format, though.
Charleton Heston played Al Haynes
Richard "John Boy" Thomas played Gary Brown, Sioux City Emergency Services Director
and
James Coubourn(sp?) played Jim Hathaway, Airport Fire Chief
It was a great movie. Check it out if you get the chance.
Charleton Heston played Al Haynes
Richard "John Boy" Thomas played Gary Brown, Sioux City Emergency Services Director
and
James Coubourn(sp?) played Jim Hathaway, Airport Fire Chief
It was a great movie. Check it out if you get the chance.
07-20-2009, 05:22 PM
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UAL 232 was the second DC-10 that was landed using powered controlled flight. The first DC-10 to do it was AA 96. American Airlines Flight 96 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nasa's Dryden Research center actually created Powered Control Aircraft (PCA) technology for fighters but adopted the technology to work with airliners afer the UAL 232 crash. They successfully landed an MD-11 several times using only power controls.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/m...2flattened.mpg
NASA - Past Projects - PCA (Propulsion Controlled Aircraft)
Pretty cool stuff...
Nasa's Dryden Research center actually created Powered Control Aircraft (PCA) technology for fighters but adopted the technology to work with airliners afer the UAL 232 crash. They successfully landed an MD-11 several times using only power controls.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/m...2flattened.mpg
NASA - Past Projects - PCA (Propulsion Controlled Aircraft)
Pretty cool stuff...
07-21-2009, 09:06 AM
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I didn't mean old school in the CRM sense, more in the 'pilot ability' sense. Most pilots today are being trained to manage the computers, not fly the plane. I see that at the regionals and majors. Its how we train and how they want you to fly. If that happened today, depending on the pilot, I doubt it would have the same outcome.
I had a captain ask me last week if I had recurrent coming up, since I clicked off the AP to fly the ILS.
07-22-2009, 09:12 AM
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And of course it should be mentioned that when Glen Tilton and the boys stripped UAL pilots of their pensions Al was one on that list too. It's pretty amazing to imagine that sociopath like Glen can have such crushing monetary influence over a hero like Al. And that was after he was retired.
07-23-2009, 01:54 PM
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The real hero of UAL 232
If anyone reads the full transcript of the CVR you will conclude Denny Fitch, Check Airman ("Guy from the Back") was the real hero of UAL 232.
Not knocking Capt. Al Haynes, but read the transcript. Capt Fitch "talked" both guys through the whole procedure. He worked the throttles for the descent, approach and attempted landing. As you might remember the only means of controlling the jet was by a methodical use of asymetrical and/or pitch-controlling thrust. It was his systems knowledge and airmanship that prevented a greater tragedy.
He's the unsung hero of flight UAL 232.
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Not knocking Capt. Al Haynes, but read the transcript. Capt Fitch "talked" both guys through the whole procedure. He worked the throttles for the descent, approach and attempted landing. As you might remember the only means of controlling the jet was by a methodical use of asymetrical and/or pitch-controlling thrust. It was his systems knowledge and airmanship that prevented a greater tragedy.
He's the unsung hero of flight UAL 232.
Astroglider
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