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Old 07-16-2009, 04:11 PM
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I think its a great idea. I wouldn't want to be sitting in one of our coach seats for three hours without any chance to get off the airplane. Try thinking of your passengers as much as it pains you.
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I think its a great idea. I wouldn't want to be sitting in one of our coach seats for three hours without any chance to get off the airplane. Try thinking of your passengers as much as it pains you.
Senator Boxer? How nice of you to join us!

Please rest assured, we LOVE our passengers, they pay our salaries. But since you're passing legislation that feels good and is totally uncoupled to any sort of economic reality or government responsibility, would you mind passing a bill that mandates that all pilots have jobs for life, get paid $1 million a year, and no airline is allowed to go out of business.

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Now there's a law!
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If implemented, any passenger who's on your plane 3+ hours on the tarmac would be able to effectively order the PIC to return to the gate. Immediately. Nice to know that that fat dude in seat 34e or the gum-smacking teenager in seat 29b who wants off would have the power to override your PIC authority and massively inconvenience the other 200 people on the plane and , eh?

I agree with the rest of your post, but I think this is a stretch. My take is that pax wouldn't be overriding one's PIC authority anymore than ATC giving you a vector.

I don't know if it should be 3 hours but, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Also, there should be provisions for exceptions. Overall, I think the Senate is on the right track on this one.
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:59 AM
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If a passenger leaves the plane aren't their bags removed as well? This "quick" trip back to the gate would also include finding the pax's bags too right? Cargo doors near inlet/exhaust requiring engine shutdown increasing the time even more....etc, etc.
The bags have to be removed.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:24 AM
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And the whole time 3 hr you had the seat belt sign on. I have never understood why you pax guys sit in the penalty box with a engine shut down and keep the seat belt sign on; company regs? While dead heading and seen it where most of the operating crew goes to the head and all the passengers are trying to tie an knot in it or cork it.

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You'd be amazed how quickly a solid:

"1 hour wheel's up time" can turn into a

"can you take an immediate? . . but it's only good if you're wheel's up in 90 seconds".
I guess your engines start much faster than my A300's "CF6's" and our slow starters PW. I have never flown a jet that you could start the engine, complete checklist and be airborne in 90 secs.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jinrai Butai
The bags have to be removed.

Only on international flights. Domestically it's optional.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:35 AM
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This whole issue is an attempt to regulate and codify common sense. First of all 3+ hour times are very rare and 5+ hour times are extremely rare. Do we really want to put in place a regulation because it affects .0001 or less percent of all flights. If this happens once it is national news and people assume it is happening all the time. It usually is weather related, and in any case let the Captain and dispatch make the call - not some screwed up politicians. Airlines know how much bad press they receive on this issue and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they really are concerned about it how about building some new airports. Oh I forgot NIMBY.

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If that rare than the costs to the airlines would be almost nothing. Just curious what is the max time that 49 paxs should be forced to sit on an RJ with one PAC deferred?
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If that rare than the costs to the airlines would be almost nothing. Just curious what is the max time that 49 paxs should be forced to sit on an RJ with one PAC deferred?

Thats not nearly as bad as no APU on an ERJ. Neither PAC works well with ground idle SE.
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I really want to see this happen when you are sitting inline on SA in philly no way to move unless they start moving the people ahead of you.
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