F9 & RAH new seniority list?
07-03-2009, 01:54 PM
#52
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AGAIN, YES, I know the rationalization behind the pay rates. But that LITTLE money for the airframe size is pathetic, no matter how you try to justify/rationalize it.
07-03-2009, 05:24 PM
#53
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This is a MYTH. Pilot costs are peanuts in the operating cost of ANY airplane.
07-03-2009, 06:24 PM
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I would have to agree with you. The problem, imho, is that our Captains want to keep their seats at all costs. Unfortunately, this usually leads to a short term solution to a permanent problem; ie, scope. We are hoping for a better offer (although highly unlikely) from someone other than Bedford.
I sincerely wish you guys the best. If you end up on our side hopefully, we will all be able to work together to get the ship righted. If not, GOD help this industry as this will set the precedent for things to come.
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07-03-2009, 06:58 PM
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I think you misread was I was getting at.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
07-03-2009, 08:06 PM
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I think you misread was I was getting at.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
07-03-2009, 08:08 PM
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I think you misread was I was getting at.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
Believe me, after taking 4 hourly wage cuts due to displacement, furlough/sutdown, and concessions, I KNOW where you were going.
But if the 190's were being flown at JB rates, it would destroy BB's ability to remain cost competitive. Either in the regional feed arena, or the LCC arena.
Pilot costs have very little to do with the overall operational cost of the aircraft. We're talking 1/100th (not including ancillary revenue - cargo, etc.) of the revenue it can potentially generate: ie the cost of 1 seat out of 100.
07-03-2009, 08:53 PM
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There are 190's in service for BB, but there are ALSO 170's, as well as 50 seat and less aircraft. His OVERALL ability to be competitive will go down. Even though he's doing what he's doing, he STILL needs that cash flow from his existing contracts. If he's not competitive in an OVERALL manner, he'll lose that cash cow.
Make sense? I really don't know any other way to explain it to you. If you're looking for a fight, sorry, don't know what to tell you. There's somebody else on this board you should be venting your frustrations at.
I'm simply spelling out.
07-03-2009, 10:47 PM
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There are 190's in service for BB, but there are ALSO 170's, as well as 50 seat and less aircraft. His OVERALL ability to be competitive will go down. Even though he's doing what he's doing, he STILL needs that cash flow from his existing contracts. If he's not competitive in an OVERALL manner, he'll lose that cash cow.
Make sense? I really don't know any other way to explain it to you. If you're looking for a fight, sorry, don't know what to tell you. There's somebody else on this board you should be venting your frustrations at.
I'm simply spelling out.
Make sense? I really don't know any other way to explain it to you. If you're looking for a fight, sorry, don't know what to tell you. There's somebody else on this board you should be venting your frustrations at.
I'm simply spelling out.
07-03-2009, 10:59 PM
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RAH dba UAX has a flight from DEN-IND using an E170
F9 ALSO flights DEN-IND using an Airbus.
United won't be thrilled that BB is competing directly against them.
Usually the arrangement in the FPD/CPA agreements between the "regional" and the legacy don't allow this.
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