MD80

Time honored?

Come on, Republic has been used to undercut Midwest and now those same pilots think a 10-20 year Captain with over 15000 hrs should be stapled to the bottom of the Republic FO list.

I understand you guys had to fly the Midwest trips assigned, but I don't hear your local MEC voicing any support for time honored paths like Midwest and Frontier.

Think before writing this stuff!!

SpeedyVagabond

I agree with your sentiment. In the civilian flying world in the United States the time honored path has been instruction, 135, 121 regional, then dream job. So why don't you try thinking before you post. Also, not that it's any of your business, I was hired at Republic long before these current affairs at RAH.

MD80

I think we agree.

My point is that Republics Teamsters pilots talk openly about taking Midwest flying and making it theirs. BB is undercutting the Midwest and JetBlue pay scales and you guys are helping.

On this webboard most of your pilots brag about gaining flying... "it's our flying now". That is not the "Time honored path" for airline pilots.

The Republic Teamsters MEC needs to show that you guys are...

part of the solution and not the problem in our profession.

zoooropa

There have been some inaccurate statements made in this thread.

Most importantly, "fair and equitable" ONLY applies to the process. The process, per the law, includes negotiations, followed by mediation, followed by binding arbitration. The result does not have to fair, only the process. This is the law, not my opinion.

Secondly, there still can be a staple. Look at the Niccolai (sp?) award. Read what he states regarding pilots on furlough. Again, this is not my opinion, only the most recent example of negotiate, mediate, arbitrate.

Now, in my humble opinion as a F9 pilot, I believe that the seniority lists NEED TO BE MERGED IMMEDIATELY to prevent the future whipsaw that all of you know is about to happen. Now, should we integrate the list as men, or as cowards?

Here is the most professional manner, again in my humble opinion. The Seniority List Integration should be done by relative seniority (percentage of current lists, by seat). Once the SLI is in place, there should be a permanent fence in place for all current aircraft flying and all orders/options available.

Example: F9 pilot (Capt or FO) remains a bus pilot and only an F9 pilot can bid A320/19/18 until our last remaining order is delivered (10 more 320's) if they in fact ever arrive.

Any airbus, boeing, wright flyer, that arrives after the 10th 320 is fair game to anyone and everyone on the new merged list.

If we are all pros this should be done over beers at lunch, in fact I am buying the first and last round. Unfortunately, this will probably end up in arbitration and look something like Niccolai.

Bedford is trying to violate everyone's scope language for a reason, and that reason has not been presented yet. If he wants us to remain seperate, we should immediately begin the process to merge for no other reason than to disrupt whatever the he11 he has planned. Whatever it is, I am pretty sure it is going to suck.

zoooropa

While I am on a roll, the Midwest pilots, even without a single airframe, should be integrated by relative seniority on their current list. If we take advantage of the PILOTS just because their management destroyed a great airline then we are no better than the MANAGMENT we speak so poorly of on a daily basis. Anyone want to walk the walk or just talk like a big bad guy and then drive the knife deeper in our fellow pilot's backs.

Fishfreighter

Never going to happen. The program is to REPLACE Midwest and Frontier pilots with Regional pukes.

Give me a giant break. You guys are the ones gleefully killing the Midwest and Frontier pilots. The ironic part is while you're high-fiving each other in your crew room, you don't realize that every job you steal is one less legacy type position for YOU to fill.

Except that by taking these jobs you increase the likelihood that YOU will retire as a Regional airline Captain. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Right as rain.

It is IF you intend to retire as a Regional airline Captain. I don't know about you, but my goal was the Majors.

Don't hold your breath. They've demonstrated their shortsightedness when they didn't refuse to fly the Midwest outsource in the first place. And if you're imagining the Teamsters are going to do anything that might impact their dues income, forget it.

Time to change your screen name to "Pollyanna". If you think for ONE MINUTE the RAH MEC will agree to any furloughed pilot to be slotted in above an active RAH pilot, you're dreaming. It would be nice if pilots were selfless and altruistic. History shows we are not.

Not one airline pilot will ever "walk the walk" if it means the loss of one seniority number. You know that.

But it is a nice sentiment.

FliFast

More like, instruction, 135, 121,unemployment, dream job, unemployment, scum-bag unsafe supplemental carrier, liquidation, scum-bag supplmental cargo carrier that flies broken planes, unemployment, dream job again, threat of unemployment so management can get bonuses, pay cut.

FF

MD80

Good posting. I agree.

Pilots have to stop letting airline management from making our pay scale a Profit Center. Look at BB at Republic, he has sold Republic pilots on the idea that lower wages lead to long term security... right... until the next start up airline forms.

Fishfreighter

Same thing is going on over at Allegiant.

"Hey, guys, we're buying you 757s! You'll have to fly them for half of what Legacy pilots get, but HEY! Its a 757!"

And guess what? He'll get plenty of apps due to a combination of SJS and a LAS domicile.

In the mean time, all the rest of us will attempt to keep our managers from cutting our wages to "compete" and we'll still be expected to welcome the Allegiant boys on the jumpseat.

Hetman

hy⋅per⋅bo⋅le  –noun Rhetoric. 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”


Origin:
1520–30; < Gk hyperbol excess, exaggeration, throwing beyond, equiv. to hyper- bol throw

Synonyms:
2. overstatement.


Antonyms:
2. understatement.