United's LOA 03-22 and GoJet
06-11-2009, 04:31 PM
#21
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And here I thought that $140 oil and age 65 had something to do with it.
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06-11-2009, 04:36 PM
#22
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Well, to the rational crowd, it makes perfect sense.
Let's see:
1) UAL ALPA secures jobs/preferential hiring at GoJet for UAL furloughs. Been on unemployment before?
2) Health care. Ever paid for health care out of pocket?
3) Currency. Ever been out of work, and out of currency AND trying to find a job? Furthermore, ever looked outside of aviation for a job?
Really... it's 2009, not 2005 anymore. Trust me on that.
Let's see:
1) UAL ALPA secures jobs/preferential hiring at GoJet for UAL furloughs. Been on unemployment before?
2) Health care. Ever paid for health care out of pocket?
3) Currency. Ever been out of work, and out of currency AND trying to find a job? Furthermore, ever looked outside of aviation for a job?
Really... it's 2009, not 2005 anymore. Trust me on that.
06-11-2009, 05:56 PM
#24
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I'm furloughed UA and I've been there since DEC. Typical regional bull$hit with regards to sched/mgmt. I have not had ANY jumpseat problems and don't know of anyone else who has. Lots of x ATA, Midex and ABX guys there too. It sucks but it's a job and health insurance. They just raised the hiring mins to 1000TT and 200 multi and upgrade needs 4500TT min 1000 multi. This month, a guy a few #'s senior to me went to upgrade class. As far as ridicule, no one has said anything to my face. During the last hiring boom (if you can call it that) guys went to Fedex, Delta and United. There are also a bunch of furloughed Trans States people here.
Reserve is awful but when you get a line, it's not bad. Hotels are OK. A/C are new. Most of the people are OK except for the 200 hr FO's crying 'cause they can't upgrade now. Nothing more to say on that....
Reserve is awful but when you get a line, it's not bad. Hotels are OK. A/C are new. Most of the people are OK except for the 200 hr FO's crying 'cause they can't upgrade now. Nothing more to say on that....
Just out of curiosity. I know I guy who went there, against advice. He is suppose to upgrade this spring. Young guy, 23. Got hired with a 1000hrs or so. He just had to wait for some company trade off time, to meet a certain min to upgrade, haven't heard from him. Are you saying even current guys there need 4500tt to upgrade?
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
#25
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Just out of curiosity. I know I guy who went there, against advice. He is suppose to upgrade this spring. Young guy, 23. Got hired with a 1000hrs or so. He just had to wait for some company trade off time, to meet a certain min to upgrade, haven't heard from him. Are you saying even current guys there need 4500tt to upgrade?
06-12-2009, 03:10 AM
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Actually, for UA guys,(ones on first year pay) it's the same $$ since we get second year pay. I agree with us "outsourcing ourselves" however, it's going to happen until the block hour provision of the CBA kicks in so we might as well be flying the airplanes. After all, they do say United on the side. On the plus side, like I have said before, if TSA walks, we will honor your line. Do you think that would happen if they hired a bunch of 200 hr guys?
06-12-2009, 04:44 AM
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First Year pay...no one was hired at UAL prior to Sept 08. And, with the upgrade happening so quick, it will (unfortunately) be more money than if I were at mainline. I'd much rather be at mainline for hundreds of other reasons but if you're going to ask the question.....
06-12-2009, 06:15 AM
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First Year pay...no one was hired at UAL prior to Sept 08. And, with the upgrade happening so quick, it will (unfortunately) be more money than if I were at mainline. I'd much rather be at mainline for hundreds of other reasons but if you're going to ask the question.....
06-12-2009, 07:16 AM
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I am getting really sick of this argument. You guys act like the United furlougees had a choice whether or not to stay at United or take a job at Gojet. All the furloughees were kicked to the curb like yesterdays trash. Next, do you guys actually really think that if the United furloughees did not take those Gojet jobs the planes wouldn't have come? Do you think glenn would have said, wow we cant get the furloughees to fly their replacement jets, lets order some new narrow body airplane and bring them on property. No, they would have plenty of other guys out on the street flying these airplanes and the planes would have still have shown up. Last, the Trans States/Gojet thing is getting tiring. They had a chance to capture the flying in 05. They turned it down believing they could get this pie in the sky contract flying the airplanes. They democratically voted down the flying. Some times you have to make hard choices to get things you want down the road. Look at what Eagle did. They took a 10 year some what crapy contract just to get all the Eaglets to merge into one company. The guys at Trans States couldn't take a 2 year extention to their contract to capture the 70 flying permently? Also, as far as is a Ual furloughee taking a job from a TSA pilot. I dont see where it is wrong for UAL pilot to take the job on the issue of pay (ie less money that mainline) but yet it is ok for a waterskier to (if they had the airplanes and were expanding while mainline was furloughing).
06-12-2009, 07:20 AM
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I stand corrected...I meant Sept of 07. I was furloughed in Sept of 08. My mistake! I, too would be on second year pay...which is less than CA pay at Gojet. Still, I would rather be at mainline than #1 on the list at Gojet.
