Jetblue's new pay rates!!!
06-02-2009, 06:37 PM
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06-02-2009, 06:48 PM
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With all due respect, I TOTALLY disagree with this statement! Look at both Southwest and JetBlue. They either don't have a union or have an internal union and are the happiest pilots and flight attendants in the industry. The problem with ALPA, Teamsters etc. is that they are so in it for the money that they've forgotten who they really work for...THE EMPLOYEES! It's the unions that have caused so many problems recently. If they were really doing their job we would have payrates where they should be, happy employees, which would result in better working conditions which would result in better customer satisfaction and ultimately result in the industry improving as a whole. I also feel that if unions were abolished, the industry would be forced to pay the workers how the rest of the world pays it's workers.....by performance and qualifications! I think this would turn the whole industry around and make everyone happy once again. Again I'm not bashing you just explaining the situation from a different point of view. Cheers.
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06-02-2009, 06:53 PM
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06-02-2009, 07:20 PM
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06-02-2009, 08:22 PM
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Sometimes the threat of a union is just as good as having one on property. The DAL FA's have figured this one out.
They have a MOA that the company breaks occasionally, but then it get the FA's in a tizzy and they start foot stomping for a union.
Guess, what they get what they want in half of the time.
I say it works for them, but would not work for the pilots in this industry as a whole.
They have a MOA that the company breaks occasionally, but then it get the FA's in a tizzy and they start foot stomping for a union.
Guess, what they get what they want in half of the time.
I say it works for them, but would not work for the pilots in this industry as a whole.
06-02-2009, 09:04 PM
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It's not just about pay.
Mgt. attempted to hold off on releasing these rates for another month (after they missed the 6pm deadline) then after 2,000 PO'ed pilots were wrapping off e-mails they decided to change their mind.
Keep in mind the trigger went from 70 to 78 so before you bus CA's start jumping for joy you might want to take a gander... 6 in one half-dozen the other....
I think you guys who are satisfied and think this is proof that the direct relationship is working are playing right into managements game. Without a real CBA we still are without real benefits and protections such as....
Scope? LTD? Loss of Lic.? STD? OJI?(a complete joke) and overall QOL issues...where did this pay "increase" help our group with these issues?
A real union and a real CBA NOW! This was a complete fiasco, and if you sheep are buying into it that's fine... but there are many other issues that are untouched by any pay raise
Mgt. attempted to hold off on releasing these rates for another month (after they missed the 6pm deadline) then after 2,000 PO'ed pilots were wrapping off e-mails they decided to change their mind.
Keep in mind the trigger went from 70 to 78 so before you bus CA's start jumping for joy you might want to take a gander... 6 in one half-dozen the other....
I think you guys who are satisfied and think this is proof that the direct relationship is working are playing right into managements game. Without a real CBA we still are without real benefits and protections such as....
Scope? LTD? Loss of Lic.? STD? OJI?(a complete joke) and overall QOL issues...where did this pay "increase" help our group with these issues?
A real union and a real CBA NOW! This was a complete fiasco, and if you sheep are buying into it that's fine... but there are many other issues that are untouched by any pay raise
06-03-2009, 12:35 AM
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Oh and I forgot to say...GREAT JOB to the JetBlue pilots! Keep up the Great work and hopefully other airlines will begin to follow suit!
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