Lighteningspeed

How about this one, looks like outsourcing international sector to me:

Delta Air Lines, Air France and KLM, make a deal

Delta Air Lines Inc., Air France and KLM signed a deal Wednesday to combine two separate joint venture agreements into one to create a more integrated trans-Atlantic powerhouse that they said will generate $12 billion in annual revenue and provide better travel options for customers.
Passengers get more nonstop flights between major cities in the U.S. and Europe, while competition and the weak global economy will likely mean fares won't be affected too much.
No new routes were announced beyond what the two previous agreements provided for separately.
KLM signed a joint venture agreement with Northwest Airlines in 1997, while Air France and Delta signed a joint venture agreement in 2007. Following Atlanta-based Delta's acquisition of Northwest in October 2008, the carriers decided to work on forming a single joint venture.
The new agreement will not have immediate ramifications for Delta's nonstop flights between Salt Lake City and Paris. But Delta spokesman Kent Landers said it "continues to deepen the cooperation between KLM, Air France and Delta. We'll certainly see more customers from all three of those airlines in Salt Lake City, and we can serve all of those customers on one global network. This allows us to strengthen trans-Atlantic service around the country."

Fly4hire

ACL,

It does not matter that this EU, and 747-200 was Asia, our section 1 specifically prohibits this:

C. Scope

Except as provided in Sections 1 D., E., N. and O.: (no exception there)

1. All flying performed by or for the Company or any affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA.

2. Section 1 C. 1. includes without limitation all passenger flying, cargo flying, freight flying, positioning flights and ferry flights (scheduled and non-scheduled, revenue and non-revenue) and non-scheduled flights as defined in Section 2 of this PWA:

a. performed by or for the Company or any affiliate on aircraft owned, leased or operated by the Company or any affiliate;

b. performed on aircraft under the operational control of the Company or any affiliate (excluding advisory flight planning and following services provided by the Company on a fee for service basis to other air carriers);

c. performed for the Company or any affiliate by any affiliate or other air carrier;

d. performed by any air carrier under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any affiliate, or performed on aircraft on which the Company or any affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any affiliate;

e. performed by Delta pilots for any other air carrier.

3. There will be no contracting or subcontracting of any Company flying to any other air carrier or performance of Company flying by pilots of any other air carrier without the prior written consent of the Delta MEC.

acl65pilot

And I ask, How does section 1 read as it relates to this joint venture?

Who is to say that there was not something that was agreed upon per Sub part 3.
What I am saying is, we know no details.
As stated this article states, "Gains Access" That is legal speak and means a ton. No new service would be huge too.

This needs to be looked at, but it appears that the lawyers did a good job about not going out of bounds on this issue.

It stinks, but that is what I have long since stated that this joint venture with AF now KLM and Martinair a wholly owned subsidiary will cause a lot of our international flying to go away.
Anyone want to make best on AMS?

forgot to bid

These international partnerships are going to get tricky for DALPA and if their not at the table when there is a give and take on routes and income with DAL and AF/KLM how will they know when to call foul? Are they privy to the info necessary to know that while we gave up that route we got 3 better ones or we were told to give up 3 routes in exchange for 1 route, etc.?

The question is, can DALPA fight two wars at once or will they care to even try? Scope at the top end and scope at the bottom? Will they sacrifice at the bottom for the sake of the top since that affects everyone?

Mesabah

The big picture is probably a future Skyteam airlines, just to make it all one company.

http://www.skyteam.com/downloads/new...eamLivery2.jpg

Bucking Bar

If nothing else, that's one ugly airplane.

acl65pilot

DAL has one that is flying around!

80ktsClamp

Yep that's a 767-400.

I've emailed my rep about this... it will be interesting to see the response or lack thereof.

forgot to bid

Do you mean this 764? I think I remember seeing this bird as far back as March. Maybe the last day of March or first couple of days in April. I was wondering how many planes have to be painted in the skyteam, will we see a 777 or even an 88?

acl65pilot

It is funny they used the pearl paint on this one, but they are not keeping it for the fleet. I personally think the Pearl body looks great.