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Old 04-17-2009, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Easy run from the west coast to HNL for the -800.
Not for the pax. I rode in the back of "an eskimo". I'll take a whale any day.
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that flight is notorious for high % of mileage redeemers, nonrevs etc. they could fill up 2 747's per day.
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Not for the pax. I rode in the back of "an eskimo". I'll take a whale any day.
I agree... the back of the jet sucks. But it's a gold mine for the airline... that is if you have enough fare paying customers.

Back in the day when I was with HP, the 747 from PHX was the employee commuter/frequent flyer express.
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When I was in initial at NWA there was a poster on the wall at NATCO of a 747 Classic. The photo was taken by one of our pilots and blown up to about 4 ft by 6 ft. It was there to commemorate the last scheduled passenger flight (non-charter) of the classic whale at NWA. Many crewmembers signed it and left their memories on the wall for all to read. One by an FA struck me in particular. She wrote "Remember when we used to fly this from MSP-ORD, the plane was packed and we did a full service with breakfast!".

My how times have changed.
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Old 04-17-2009, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
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Just be thankful you have the heavy equipment to use on routes that require one. CAL is swapping out its 757/767-400 LAX-HNL route to 737's by years end.

We are the most anemic major carrier out there when it comes to widebodies.
WOW! Those flights seemed impossible to non-rev on with the WBs. It was already a nightmare. I can't even imagine what it'll be like with 737s. And sooooo uncomfortable! Uuughhhh!
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Originally Posted by n287hg
Does this aircraft really fit well on this route? Are the loads that massive? I know back in 2001 Delta used to send the L1011 (I miss that airplane) on this route but that was only about 300 seats about 2 or 3 times a day. With the 747 on this route Delta now has 400+ seats and a mix of 763's and 764's flying there. Don't get me wrong, I thinks its cool that there are domestic 747 flights and I hope to nonrev on that flight before its yanked out of Honolulu. I was just wondering if the loads are there to fill up that airplane.
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:47 AM
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DAL needs to run 74's on the ATL-RSW route! Every flight, 8 a day, 757's, 737's, MD88 are ALWAYS full!
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DAL needs to run 74's on the ATL-RSW route! Every flight, 8 a day, 757's, 737's, MD88 are ALWAYS full!
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
DAL needs to run 74's on the ATL-RSW route! Every flight, 8 a day, 757's, 737's, MD88 are ALWAYS full!
ATL-FL is always full. But since the rather large draw down in capacity going to FL perhaps DL is able to get a better buck on those runs!
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Originally Posted by n287hg
Does this aircraft really fit well on this route? Are the loads that massive? I know back in 2001 Delta used to send the L1011 (I miss that airplane) on this route but that was only about 300 seats about 2 or 3 times a day. With the 747 on this route Delta now has 400+ seats and a mix of 763's and 764's flying there. Don't get me wrong, I thinks its cool that there are domestic 747 flights and I hope to nonrev on that flight before its yanked out of Honolulu. I was just wondering if the loads are there to fill up that airplane.
My understanding was that the 764 was always weight limited ATL-HNL, especially with high winds and high fuel loads.

The real question is why didn't they pull the 777 off NRT and send it to HNL, then send the Whale ATL-NRT? It does seem a waste to send a 747-400 to HNL and let a 777 overfly it to NRT.

Perhaps since this is a low yield route (lots of FF miles and cheapos) they discovered one 747 is cheaper than two 777s in terms of seat mile costs?
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