ToiletDuck

Another fact from the page of SAABaroowski. Chapter 2 right after, "We're the industry standard, admire our paycut".

Dougdrvr

Let's see......RAH pilots have been in contract negotiations for how long? And how much standing around have they done? Even a little informational picketing, maybe?

All the Midwest union would have had to do to be flying your metal was to sign on the dotted line and accept a contract as *itty as yours. If it was just a case of renegotiating pay rates for 170s, it could have been done and don't think your contract would keep them from doing it because unless you own them outright, all it would take is a couple of shell companys and, Viola! the're not your airplanes anymore. But Midwest management, or rather the ,Lorenzo trained, consulting firm wants to dictate terms on the deck of the U.S.S Missouri (that's a little WWII joke you can look up). They want to take away ALL the work rules, retirement, drastic cuts in sick leave, and offered to bring the furloughed guys on a "B" scale. After all this is agreed to then they will offer to "discuss" scope. And they want one pay scale with no reference to type, weight, or number of seats. Even the guys that are on the street are saying not to give up 'cause there wont be anything worth coming back to. Which is a lot classier than anything I've seen out of the RAH pilot group.

So don't you DARE say that the Midwest pilots are sitting around doing nothing

ToiletDuck

About 1.5yrs and they are down to the last section. What's to picket?

Or they could have gone on strike. Still could mind you.


Yes it could have been done but they didn't flex and Midex doesn't own any 170s.

Someone's been watching "Wallstreet" too much.

A lot classier than anything you've seen out of the RAH pilot group? I'd hope so. Why don't you just say it's a lot classier than anything you've seen out of the Quantas or JAL guys. It's just as relevant. From day one the RAH pilots have had nothing to do with any of this yet you expect them to grow the backbone the Midex guys haven't? There's no part of me that's trilled to see any of them on the street by any means but for some reason you complainers keep forgetting who found out when. You act as if the RAH pilots were there making the deal with the Midex management. Give it a rest already. I seem to recall our unions releasing joint statements when they both found out the same morning. Hey there Mr. Armchair QB throw deep!


In your little uninformed rant, or misplaced blame, you never said anything to contradict this. They said no. Congrats. Happens all over the place all the time. CAL, DAL, SWA, everyone says no to the company every once in a while. What happened after that? They got steamrolled because they did nothing. I don't think a single RAH pilot has wanted any of this to take place and NO they did not flock skipping and jumping to MCI for their flying. They were displaced and pushed there. What's stopping the Midex guys from striking? What has stopped them in the past? Why aren't they doing it now? Why aren't they just simply not refusing to fly without union authorization?

Why don't the Midex guys walk up to the plane and simply refuse to fly it?


For those of you who feel so strongly about the RAH pilot group being SCUM, SCABS, no class, CANCER of the industry, etc. Then go ahead and post your names so all the CAs can decide better on whether to give you a lift or not. If you're going to flat call out a group and be so hostile against them then why don't YOU show an ounce of backbone yourself and stick your name to your statements? I mean it's hard to preach who needs to "man up" and speak out when the best you can muster is some poorly written rant from behind the keyboard. If you don't feel strong enough to make those accusations and put your name to it then you're just a sissy really and lack any credibility.

RAHPilot5

They wrote a letter to Obama when he was running for president. That did a lot of good

RAHPilot5

lol ........

MD80

Dude, get your facts correct. A Midwest F/A wrote Obama.

Dougdrvr

That's good, I can't wait to see how it will raise the bar for the profession. After all, you've learned so much from the first one.

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You don't know much about the strike process, do you.


There a difference between "flexing" and downright extortion.


It's really quite simple, your pilot group are enablers. You do the job cheaper so management uses you to leverage us. I agree that there are no job actions that you can perform to stop this now, but let's see what your next contract holds.

iWhen/if released from mediation and an impasse is declared, that may happen. Is this a rhetorical question? Are you really that ignorant about the process for a legal job action?


Don't go there on a jumpseat war and your right, the CA decides, not you. You really are like my annoying younger brother

Dougdrvr

I hear your gonna "take one for the team" and fly the 190 for a cheaper rate. Say it isn't so big guy

MD80

Republic pilots have to fly the trips assigned to them.

I just ask that you guys at Republic fight for a career contract. We (pilots) have to stop thinking that our flying at the regional airline is just a stepping stone to a better job. Those days are coming to a end.

320ToBearz

I know you RAH'ers don't like facts but......

FACTS
Midwest MADE money from 1Q/2006 up till the acquisition from TPG (3Q 2007). At the time of the acquisition we also had about $170 million in unrestricted cash (this is why AAI's offer included a $170 million cash option). Now they are a private company and can fudge the numbers all they want. From the time of the acquisition till 1Q 2008 I am sure we still made money. We started losing money with oil starting to shoot up in 2008, along with EVERY airline but Allegiant.

I have noticed Republic's stock is sitting at a 52wk low, they're market value is less than the cash they have on hand.