More sad Midwest news...
03-19-2009, 06:24 PM
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03-19-2009, 06:25 PM
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"We're very glad we were unsuccessful with that purchase," Fornaro told The AP.
I'll see if I can find a better quote for you to chew on. Uncle Bob is not as talkative as Uncle Joe was.
03-19-2009, 06:59 PM
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AirTran's President agrees with me. Eh' what's he know?So you are saying their offer was "give it to us!" Even if true, AirTran could not have funded the fuel over the summer of 08. MidWest burned through all the TPG cash and got another injection from Republic, leading to the situation we find ourselves in now.
I'll see if I can find a better quote for you to chew on. Uncle Bob is not as talkative as Uncle Joe was.
I'll see if I can find a better quote for you to chew on. Uncle Bob is not as talkative as Uncle Joe was.
Midwest burned through cash because of Tim's idiocy on things like the Midwest Premier Pet Program, the "Best Care for the Air", trying to get seats FAA approved for the 717, yadda yadda yadda.
03-19-2009, 07:18 PM
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I'm not well versed on the midwest/republic situation but I would think that if Midwest struck, then the routes for those nine 717's would be struck work and Republic pilots would refuse to do that flying. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'd think republic guys wouldn't be interested in the appearance of crossing a picket line.
03-19-2009, 07:23 PM
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EVERY RAH pilot flying in MKE is still scum. Plain and simple, imo. Call me immature if you want, but you stole my livelihood in cahoots with our crappy management. Tell me what is different between them and other management tricks like GoJets (another teamsters f' job), Freedom, New York Air, etc. etc? It's easy to speak how ethical you will be if and when Midwest strikes, yet still fly their mainline routes all the time. Look up the definition of the word enabler, because that is exactly what you are. Keep hiding behind the "its not us but our management" lame duck drunk driving defense of "it's the booze talking."
03-19-2009, 07:39 PM
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Is outsourcing of pilots a future area of cost savings for the airline industry?
Delta/TPG outsources Midwest flights to Republic and United outsourses its flights to Aer Lingus...
March 16, 2009
United Airlines is preparing to outsource some international flying, a move likely to spark an uproar as the carrier opens contract talks with its pilots April 9.
Other U.S. carriers and their unions are closely watching a venture being created by Chicago-based United and Aer Lingus that will use non-union crews on new flights from Washington-Dulles International Airport to Madrid, set to begin in March 2010. The carriers plan to add service to two other cities in 2011.
United will provide marketing muscle to the partnership as well as passengers from Dulles, its second-largest hub. The Irish carrier will contribute three new Airbus A330 jets to the Europe-based venture and recruit pilots who aren't employees of either airline to fly them.
If the venture is successful, it could be a model for other carriers to outsource trans-Atlantic flying, cutting labor costs and potentially undermining unionized pilots, a group with the greatest clout over airline operations, analysts said. It also could encourage United to seek broader partnerships with larger European players, such as Germany's Lufthansa
Delta/TPG outsources Midwest flights to Republic and United outsourses its flights to Aer Lingus...
March 16, 2009
United Airlines is preparing to outsource some international flying, a move likely to spark an uproar as the carrier opens contract talks with its pilots April 9.
Other U.S. carriers and their unions are closely watching a venture being created by Chicago-based United and Aer Lingus that will use non-union crews on new flights from Washington-Dulles International Airport to Madrid, set to begin in March 2010. The carriers plan to add service to two other cities in 2011.
United will provide marketing muscle to the partnership as well as passengers from Dulles, its second-largest hub. The Irish carrier will contribute three new Airbus A330 jets to the Europe-based venture and recruit pilots who aren't employees of either airline to fly them.
If the venture is successful, it could be a model for other carriers to outsource trans-Atlantic flying, cutting labor costs and potentially undermining unionized pilots, a group with the greatest clout over airline operations, analysts said. It also could encourage United to seek broader partnerships with larger European players, such as Germany's Lufthansa
03-19-2009, 07:43 PM
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"The Company will not transfer any Company aircraft or schedule
any pilots to fly any trips for airlines that are on strike unless
mutually agreed by the Company and the Union."
Now unless Republic pilots go brain dead and agree it just ain't gonna happen.
"The Company will not transfer any Company aircraft or schedule
any pilots to fly any trips for airlines that are on strike unless
mutually agreed by the Company and the Union."
Now unless Republic pilots go brain dead and agree it just ain't gonna happen.
And what happen to your contract language that aircraft can't be subleased from Republic to other airlines?
Republic has a written deal to sublease aircraft to Midwest. What is the status of this greivance?
03-19-2009, 07:55 PM
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There's a reason that hasn't taken place. It's called an illegal action. There's no way the company could pull this off unless the aircraft were actually sold to midwest. Now if RAH loaned money to midwest to run around and purchase the aircraft from RAH then we'd be talking something super shady.
03-19-2009, 08:04 PM
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Management wins by keeping the corporate name and image. They don't give a crap about who files the metal tubes. And this isn't just a problem at Midwest - look at UAL - it's gone from 12,000+ pilots and shrunk down to about 7,000. US Airways is the same. Flying will continue shifting from "mainline" to regionals and shady joint ventures. But management will continue to profit.
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