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04-27-2009, 01:25 PM
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The regionals may own their airplanes or crew rooms but they don't own the flying. It is contracted to them just like catering is. If they want to get new service when the contract runs out they are free to do so.
You are correct that the time to control this was years ago. When you have people at the mainline who believe regional flying is good because it allows them to have higher pay it's an uphill battle. If you ever talk to someone who doesn't care if they outsource smaller airplanes ask them if they would care if they outsourced the largest. I bet you will get a different response because it will affect them.
You are correct that the time to control this was years ago. When you have people at the mainline who believe regional flying is good because it allows them to have higher pay it's an uphill battle. If you ever talk to someone who doesn't care if they outsource smaller airplanes ask them if they would care if they outsourced the largest. I bet you will get a different response because it will affect them.
There wouldn't BE any regionals flying outsourced former mainline flying. In the mean time, please drop another quarter into managements slot for a half hour of air.
04-27-2009, 03:57 PM
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Mainline doesn't own its flying either, for if they did we wouldn't be have this discussion now, would we ?
There wouldn't BE any regionals flying outsourced former mainline flying. In the mean time, please drop another quarter into managements slot for a half hour of air.
There wouldn't BE any regionals flying outsourced former mainline flying. In the mean time, please drop another quarter into managements slot for a half hour of air.
04-27-2009, 05:16 PM
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No, OTHERS determined it for them by choosing to NOT contract it to them. You see, when you really look at it, we're ALL flying contracted work. But when one is the first to be contracted that work, there tends to be an assumption of "owned turf" (kinda like a pekinese ****ing on a lamp post).
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04-27-2009, 06:20 PM
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04-27-2009, 11:05 PM
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Did we forget American Airlines' Robert Crandall and Don Carty in the late 1980's?
Originally Posted by Hard Landing p. 145
If you already worked for American Airlines, your job and salary were secure; indeed, you would continue getting salary increases. But for every person hired in the future . . . - the story would be different. Each would come in at lower starting wages and in some cases reduced benefits as well. Through the years, as they gained seniority, this second category of workers would receive raises, of course, but they would remain on a lower scale than the older, more established employees, those lucky enough to have been hired by the early 1980's. In fact the new hires would never catch up. They would be perpetually confined to a second-tier status that the unions would come to call the "b-scale".
PS- What about if mainline took it ALL back, and put all the narrow-body aircraft on a B-scale (you know, that's all the regionals fly anyway, right?)? Or what about if all the widebody drivers take a paycut to sweeten the deal of bringing everyone onto the same list? Are YOU willing to sacrifice some in the name of unity, or just willing to volunteer others for the task? It's a question each of us must ask ourselves if we ever expect things to change.
04-28-2009, 05:17 AM
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I'm just saying Republic guys would cross the line for more 175 or GOD FORBID 190's.
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04-28-2009, 06:15 AM
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Which airlines were forced to give up flying during a bankruptcy?
The regional pilots have no say in what airplanes they get to fly just like the majors. The majors didn't want them so someone had to fly them.
I think the regional guys wouldn't scream that loudly if it was Delta taking the flying vs. another regional. Better to have mainline take it than have it continuously swapped between regionals.
The regional pilots have no say in what airplanes they get to fly just like the majors. The majors didn't want them so someone had to fly them.
I think the regional guys wouldn't scream that loudly if it was Delta taking the flying vs. another regional. Better to have mainline take it than have it continuously swapped between regionals.
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04-28-2009, 06:46 AM
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If another airline strikes and RAH asks us to fly the routes, I'll just hop in the cockpit and say, "It's okay, DMEarc told me to!"
04-28-2009, 07:00 AM
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