More sad Midwest news...
04-26-2009, 05:04 AM
#121
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Let's talk about Midwest airlines again.
If we don't wake-up, ALPA national will lead our profession off a similiar cliff! We need to make sure...
--- All contracts have strong scope language.
--- Major airlines need to fly all equipment over 50 seats.
--- We have to stop the whip-sawing of one pilot group against another.
--- We need to push for different levels of ATP licenses (eg. 10,000 hrs flight time to Captain aircraft with over 99 seats, 15,000 hrs to Captain aircraft over 300 seats...) This could equal a national seniority list.
--- ALPA needs canned language in scope, duty reg, vacation, 401k, ... that is required at all ALPA carrriers. No more whip-sawing on life style.
ALPA National needs to lead this profession to a secure future.
If we don't wake-up, ALPA national will lead our profession off a similiar cliff! We need to make sure...
--- All contracts have strong scope language.
--- Major airlines need to fly all equipment over 50 seats.
--- We have to stop the whip-sawing of one pilot group against another.
--- We need to push for different levels of ATP licenses (eg. 10,000 hrs flight time to Captain aircraft with over 99 seats, 15,000 hrs to Captain aircraft over 300 seats...) This could equal a national seniority list.
--- ALPA needs canned language in scope, duty reg, vacation, 401k, ... that is required at all ALPA carrriers. No more whip-sawing on life style.
ALPA National needs to lead this profession to a secure future.
I wish they would though. With the national seniority list and my flight time, I could bid a decent 777 captains berth, unfortunately my pay per seat would go down from where it is now if I did..............go figure.
04-26-2009, 05:24 AM
#122
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I'll bet my 401(k) ALPA succeeds in NONE of these. Not a single one.
I wish they would though. With the national seniority list and my flight time, I could bid a decent 777 captains berth, unfortunately my pay per seat would go down from where it is now if I did..............go figure.
I wish they would though. With the national seniority list and my flight time, I could bid a decent 777 captains berth, unfortunately my pay per seat would go down from where it is now if I did..............go figure.
+1
ALPA National is like having a lawyer that represents both the plantiff and the defendant and tells both that this is the best way to do things.
Personally, there should be an ALPA National Safety organization that brings all of the unions together to communicate about and then fight or lobby for safety related issues. Heck, maybe possibly even fight for the future profession.
The union should then be split into autonomous Mainline and Subsidiary groups not represented in any way shape or form by the same leadership. AirTran, Delta, United, Continental, etc should be 100% separate from ASA, Comair, Coex, Colgan and so on.
But I'll admit, if I've thought about it then its already been thought about and theres a reason why its not happening.
04-26-2009, 05:56 AM
#123
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Agreed.
ALPA gets an "A" as a safety advocate, but an "F" as a labor union.
They also get an "A" in the art of fleecing people out of excessive amounts of their cash to maintain bloated fat cat compensation for themselves. Virtually EVERY ALPA represented pilot is an A-1 sucker and noted sap for being a fleecee of these con men (and women)...........myself included.
ALPA is nothing more then the most expensive magazine subscription in the world.
ALPA gets an "A" as a safety advocate, but an "F" as a labor union.
They also get an "A" in the art of fleecing people out of excessive amounts of their cash to maintain bloated fat cat compensation for themselves. Virtually EVERY ALPA represented pilot is an A-1 sucker and noted sap for being a fleecee of these con men (and women)...........myself included.
ALPA is nothing more then the most expensive magazine subscription in the world.
04-26-2009, 12:42 PM
#124
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Agreed.
ALPA gets an "A" as a safety advocate, but an "F" as a labor union.
They also get an "A" in the art of fleecing people out of excessive amounts of their cash to maintain bloated fat cat compensation for themselves. Virtually EVERY ALPA represented pilot is an A-1 sucker and noted sap for being a fleecee of these con men (and women)...........myself included.
ALPA is nothing more then the most expensive magazine subscription in the world.
ALPA gets an "A" as a safety advocate, but an "F" as a labor union.
They also get an "A" in the art of fleecing people out of excessive amounts of their cash to maintain bloated fat cat compensation for themselves. Virtually EVERY ALPA represented pilot is an A-1 sucker and noted sap for being a fleecee of these con men (and women)...........myself included.
ALPA is nothing more then the most expensive magazine subscription in the world.
I agree! We need to change this association!
04-26-2009, 01:02 PM
#125
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ALPA needs to change its focus from being a service company to a labor union(model after the AMA). Someone has to lead the US pilot profession to a secure and dependable occupation.
People will scarfice money, work rules, retirement planning, and safety to get a few thousand hours. Then they plan to apply for a real job after undercutting the profession.
Come on... stop the musical chairs!
ps. to the guys at the majors... you are not safe by a long shot. (remember Eastern, PanAm, Braniff, TWA...)
People will scarfice money, work rules, retirement planning, and safety to get a few thousand hours. Then they plan to apply for a real job after undercutting the profession.
Come on... stop the musical chairs!
ps. to the guys at the majors... you are not safe by a long shot. (remember Eastern, PanAm, Braniff, TWA...)
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
#126
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ALPA needs to change its focus from being a service company to a labor union(model after the AMA). Someone has to lead the US pilot profession to a secure and dependable occupation.
People will scarfice money, work rules, retirement planning, and safety to get a few thousand hours. Then they plan to apply for a real job after undercutting the profession.
Come on... stop the musical chairs!
ps. to the guys at the majors... you are not safe by a long shot. (remember Eastern, PanAm, Braniff, TWA...)
People will scarfice money, work rules, retirement planning, and safety to get a few thousand hours. Then they plan to apply for a real job after undercutting the profession.
Come on... stop the musical chairs!
ps. to the guys at the majors... you are not safe by a long shot. (remember Eastern, PanAm, Braniff, TWA...)
04-26-2009, 05:21 PM
#127
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I agree again.
By outsourcing the flying of smaller equipment to different companys and pilot groups the legacy airline pilots started it all in motion. Pilot groups are being whip-sawed against each other to keep their jobs.
I see only two solutions...
--- Legacy airline pilots take back the flying by regionals over 50 seats
or
--- ALPA National takes the leadership roll and stops the whip-sawing by have common language in all contracts and limits how low the payscale can go.
We all need to help make the changes.
04-26-2009, 05:28 PM
#128
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Well it could be looked at as going both ways. We gave away the flying through short sightedness and BK imposed contracts, regionals guys took that flying with no objection. I'm curious how much RJ pilots will scream if DAL cuts 100+ RJs and replaces that flying with additional MD90s. Its easy to complain about SCOPE when you aren't hitting the street for it. But I agree, we need to take it ALL back.
04-27-2009, 04:55 AM
#129
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I'm not well versed on the midwest/republic situation but I would think that if Midwest struck, then the routes for those nine 717's would be struck work and Republic pilots would refuse to do that flying. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'd think republic guys wouldn't be interested in the appearance of crossing a picket line.
It's more or less struck work now. They refuse to come back to work for the money Midwest is offering on the 170's.
Die Republic, Die already.
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