New Delta scope thread
02-27-2009, 04:58 PM
#81
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You want the planes, you get the pilots too. No furlough clause. And I remain as a captain. Thank you. If I can do it for RAH, I can do it for Delta. (I'm saying this with not a cocky attitude. I know I can provide a great service for Delta.)
What if RAH captains flying the Delta 175s and interviewed and didn't pass. What happens to them? Tough luck for them? I don't think so...
I'm all for taking these jets back to mainline but since it was the majors that caused this problem in the 1st place, simply taking the planes back and saying so sorry "regional" pilots, you have to interview and get in line. Well simply put.... F you for being so selfish and not thinking of your regional brothers and sisters! I have to provide for my family too and now I have to be punished by past pilots mistakes of eroding scope.
And for the record, I haven't interviewed at any major yet. I do not feel comftorable moving on with all the crap going on in the world.
I don't know how you ment that comment Nu but just saying my peace.
Off my soapbox.
What if RAH captains flying the Delta 175s and interviewed and didn't pass. What happens to them? Tough luck for them? I don't think so...
I'm all for taking these jets back to mainline but since it was the majors that caused this problem in the 1st place, simply taking the planes back and saying so sorry "regional" pilots, you have to interview and get in line. Well simply put.... F you for being so selfish and not thinking of your regional brothers and sisters! I have to provide for my family too and now I have to be punished by past pilots mistakes of eroding scope.
And for the record, I haven't interviewed at any major yet. I do not feel comftorable moving on with all the crap going on in the world.
I don't know how you ment that comment Nu but just saying my peace.
Off my soapbox.
I have no issue with you keeping your seats, but fences and this like would be determined if there was a merger. It would not be a merger.
DAL owns the flying. We own most of the jets. We can redistribute them as we see fit. That is what happens when you work for an ACMI carrier. (Contract carrier.) I am not trying to be jerk either. This is why I left ASA. It pays to work for the carrier that creates the flying.
02-27-2009, 06:56 PM
#82
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And that is the reason that it did not happen with EV and OH in 1999.
I have no issue with you keeping your seats, but fences and this like would be determined if there was a merger. It would not be a merger.
DAL owns the flying. We own most of the jets. We can redistribute them as we see fit. That is what happens when you work for an ACMI carrier. (Contract carrier.) I am not trying to be jerk either. This is why I left ASA. It pays to work for the carrier that creates the flying.
I have no issue with you keeping your seats, but fences and this like would be determined if there was a merger. It would not be a merger.
DAL owns the flying. We own most of the jets. We can redistribute them as we see fit. That is what happens when you work for an ACMI carrier. (Contract carrier.) I am not trying to be jerk either. This is why I left ASA. It pays to work for the carrier that creates the flying.
02-27-2009, 06:58 PM
#83
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Here are some documents from 2000 when the ASA and CMR pilots tried to put this genie back in the bottle....It is interesting reading....
http://www.rjdefense.com/petition.pdf
http://www.rjdefense.com/ecpresin.pdf
http://www.rjdefense.com/dalmecmergsub.pdf
http://www.rjdefense.com/petition.pdf
http://www.rjdefense.com/ecpresin.pdf
http://www.rjdefense.com/dalmecmergsub.pdf
02-27-2009, 07:27 PM
#84
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02-27-2009, 07:46 PM
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The ASA and CMR MEC's proposed a "fix" in 2000....but mainline ego's prevented a solution....We now all have to live with those results.....
You are a 28 year old mainline pilot.....You may get furloughed....Deal with it!
02-27-2009, 08:23 PM
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Many of you junior Delta pilots are whining about this issue....The economy is slowing fast and some of you are looking for RJs to park your butts in.....Sorry that train left the station.....
The ASA and CMR MEC's proposed a "fix" in 2000....but mainline ego's prevented a solution....We now all have to live with those results.....
You are a 28 year old mainline pilot.....You may get furloughed....Deal with it!
The ASA and CMR MEC's proposed a "fix" in 2000....but mainline ego's prevented a solution....We now all have to live with those results.....
You are a 28 year old mainline pilot.....You may get furloughed....Deal with it!
I would rather be a 28 year old Mainline pilot working on a fix than a middle aged Regional pilot who is bitter and worried he may get left in the cold every time a contract comes up for renewal. Dont worry you'll get the memo
02-27-2009, 09:00 PM
#87
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You say its "whining" because we are working to fix a screw up from years past. YOU yourself have even admitted that it was a screwup. See the difference is that some of us move on so that we can try and fix things. You just stay where you are and just point fingers at everyone else.
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
I would rather be a 28 year old Mainline pilot working on a fix than a middle aged Regional pilot who is bitter and worried he may get left in the cold every time a contract comes up for renewal. Dont worry you'll get the memo
02-27-2009, 09:21 PM
#88
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It was a screwup....You aren't going to "fix" it....You think you are..but it is too late...
ACL65Pilot has already confirmed that the lawsuit is a factor in these discussions....I am confident that we will survive this...You will too, but you may have a few years off....
ACL65Pilot has already confirmed that the lawsuit is a factor in these discussions....I am confident that we will survive this...You will too, but you may have a few years off....
few years off? Could happen but not likely as of now. Either way i would rather worry about the near term and have positive long term career potential than to have stayed at my old regional and "peaked" there. To each their own. You chose to peak at ASA, deal with it and move on. Good luck in the new plane.
02-28-2009, 04:41 AM
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Your argument is a red herring. For historical reference, what was the size of the BAE146 and its sisters?
Those aircraft used to be at ASA and Mesaba. At ASA, they went away completely due to tightened scope (achieved during Section 6 negotiations). At Mesaba, they didn't violate seat limits.
Those aircraft used to be at ASA and Mesaba. At ASA, they went away completely due to tightened scope (achieved during Section 6 negotiations). At Mesaba, they didn't violate seat limits.
I am not as familiar with the Mesaba Avro story, but I thought they were always limited to 66, or 76, seats.
I don't think Delta can take it back from ASA and Comair due to ALPA's conflicted representational obligations.
02-28-2009, 04:49 AM
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It was a screwup....You aren't going to "fix" it....You think you are..but it is too late...
ACL65Pilot has already confirmed that the lawsuit is a factor in these discussions....I am confident that we will survive this...You will too, but you may have a few years off....
ACL65Pilot has already confirmed that the lawsuit is a factor in these discussions....I am confident that we will survive this...You will too, but you may have a few years off....
Trust me Joe. I looked at everything and realized that I may have had another 10 or so good years at ASA, but long term DAL was the way to go. You contract that SKW and DAL management signed is very tight. There is only a few places for wiggle room. I am sure that DAL will expose them.
I am not worried, or concerned Joe. It is the issue that you brought up over a decade ago that has tied your hands, our hands and others. It is not that we cannot untie them, it is that they were tied by fellow ALPA pilots in the first place. I know the history so spare me. You guys made it about money from fellow pilots. Management just stood back and laughed while you were doing their job for them. I guess you still do not get it. You may get more jets joe, but they will never pay what they should pay??
What does that 900 pay for a 20 year CA? About the same as a third year 767 FO on a concessionary contract.
There is a fix to this issue, you may actually like it. Time will tell.
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