reddog25

Spot on. This is how the RJ code sharing started. One thing many forget is that we already have a base in NRT (You are effectivly on reserve as you pass thru NRT, reassigned trips as necessary)

The jewell of the DAL/NWA merger was the NRT hub. Don't forget NWA has 5th freedom rights. This means you can pick up originating Japanese pax /cargo and fly them anywhere. Only UAL (thru PAA rights) and FEDEX (thru Tigers rights) has the ability to do that. This is not about increasing revenue stream and if it is, then kiss DAL pilot jobs away!

I'll need to see if any intl code -sharing language survived the merged CBA. Our previous NWA CBA was very restrictive in scope. If intl scope survived, then we as pilots are in the drivers seat.

Mem9guy

Just to add a little bit of info on the N call in honest program, although not directly contractual, it was an FOM policy with a contractual LOA recognizing it. Although I think that the LOA still had some "weasel out" language for the company to retain the ability to make changes to the program at their discrection.

So to answer the question of "was the call-in-honest" program contractual or just a policy, I guess the answer would be "yes" to both...

Free Bird

That's exactly right, our track record does suck on these types of things. I believe that the RJ's were supposed to be a good revenue stream as well following 911. Im not so sure that strategy worked out either, the company still lost lots of $$$ and mainline pilot jobs were outsourced.

If job protections are in place Im all for trying new revenue streams. If this could potentially draw down on the number of our highest paying jobs, we're in for more of the same.

I think the company knows that the RJ party is about over, wouldn't surprise me to see them play the game on the other end of the field now.

slowplay

Really?

Maybe I'll go back a few of your posts and point out where you said that our JV's were the way to go (inclusive scope and all...)

Or maybe you can articulate in detail our path if Haneda is opened to all but US carriers (how's that NRT hub now?), or if "open skies," an oxymoron in the Japan case, leads to just another bilateral that puts Delta at a competitive disadvantage.

What's your plan, ACL? And this time please don't flip-flop!

1234

Is there a way to log directly into ICrew without going through Deltanet?

Thanks,

Denny Crane

Could this "negotiation" with JAL be a ploy to put even more pressure on AA to sell us their terminal in JFK? Just speculating.....

Denny

slowplay

Dog, our government is ensuring that changes are coming to NRT.

Delta once had a FRA hub every bit as big as NRT, fed by 9 US Domestic market cities with 13-17 beyond cities. We had 727's and 767-200's for the "interport" flying. It's gone, due to changes in the bilateral and open skies. Guess what's going on in Japan right now?

As far as international scope, NWA's wasn't as tight as you make it out to be. They led the way in JV language, which was improved upon in the JCBA and subsequent LOA. The JCBA also set a floor on NRT operations, which gives us some negotiating leverage should Byerly's State Department give away our airline agreements to maintain military bases in Japan.

The quickest way to kiss Delta pilot jobs away is to ignore this threat and not respond proactively to it. I've seen that movie in FRA. It ended with a substantial number of furloughs. Unprotected crown jewels can be stolen. Oh, guess which airport Air Force One landed at in Tokyo on Obama's Asia trip...it wasn't Narita. Guess how many frequencies JAL owns at that airport versus how many Delta has...

Free Bird

Big picture here Slow.

We DON"T want more Delta flying to be outsourced. I know that can be hard to get your head around, but that's the consensus in 99.9% of Delta cockpits.

If Delta can get in bed with JAL and we maintain our flying, that's great. Just don't want to see our flying erode on the "Heavy Metal" side of things as it has on the narrow body side.

slowplay

Big picture here Bird.

Are Delta pilots more protected with flying eliminated by economic pressure or shared due to a JV?

We don't live in a static world.

Denny Crane

Not that I know of.