Carl Spackler

Whatever north pilot told you that was incorrect. Company was not "pre-packaged" for sale. The strike issue was the B scale. Management would not budge, and neither would we. Bill Clinton's administration threatened both sides after the 2 week point of the strike. The threat against the pilots was to invoke a PEB which (it was thought at the time) would break the strikes momentum by forcing a return to work for 60 days. The threat against management was to block new Pacific route authority that management was seeking. The threats brought both sides back to the table. The result was a fix to the huge stumbling block of the B scale. Management moved from the B scale remaining, to a 3 year phase out of the B scale. And just like that, the strike was settled.

Carl

Bill Lumberg

I never said all of the profit would go to us, but most of the other groups including management are back to pre-BK wages. I don't know if we can do $315 an hour again for the 777/744 guys, but it should be a lot more than SWA 737 Capts, that's for sure. They currently are fairly close in pay, but we have 36 total 777/744s, and they have over 500 737s, which means a lot more of them get paid more. Plus, our lower line values or 12 day trips for the Whale guys really limits the pay opportunity for our most senior pilots. Those SWA senior guys all get over 100 trips of pay per month, easily. And no, I don't want to fly for them, I want to be paid CLOSER to what we used to be paid, but not at 4% a year for the next 10. I want larger chunks, sooner. Those bag/ticket fees and less interest payments should help facilitate that. That's my point. Sailing is trying to justify the 4% raise per year forever method, and that isn't acceptable to many, since 30% and then an additional 17% were taken from us in those chunks during BK. They can take away in large chunks, but can't give it back at more than 4% per year? Sailing thinks so.

Ferd149

Hadn't heard that one, what I heard was that the administration threatened to "revisit" the KLM anti-trust agreement.

What would we (Delta/KLM AF) look like today if they had in fact removed that little jewel?

scambo1

I think that discount is now for ffdo's. There are folks on the dalpa forum that have the H&K form, but there are better guns at great deals.

DAL 88 Driver

Received the following article from DPA today. This article makes it sound like CAPA got their recommendation and ALPA did not get theirs. I'm confused about a couple of things. Unless I am missing something, they are still talking about having carve outs in this legislation. Maybe the claim that ALPA did not get their way is based on the carve out being higher than ALPA wanted? Also, it says that the carve outs are 750 hours and an ATP for military pilots and 1000 hours and an ATP for pilots from an approved flight school. I thought you had to have 1500 hours to get an ATP.
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ALPA Flounders on FAA NPRM on First Officer Qualifications While CAPA Prevails
Once again, ALPA shows its assets are dedicated regularly to the protection of its regional members, often times at the expense of the major airline carriers that brought it into existence. Thankfully for mainline pilots, CAPA (Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations) has used its political influence to encourage a higher level of safety for the travelling public and a more valuable mainline career, despite ALPA's best efforts to the contrary.

On February 28th, 2012, the FAA issued a new Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) seeking to raise the minimum flight time to operate in a 121 carrier to 1,500 hours. Since the Colgan Air crash in 2009 that killed 49 people in a regional Q400, the U.S. Congress has sought to stiffen the requirements for operating any Part 121 carrier with passengers. Congress passed the Aviation Safety Act of 2010 requiring the FAA to make a rule change. In lock step with ALPA's opposition to the flight time increase proposal, FAA Administrator and former ALPA National President Randolph Babbitt testified against the proposal in February of 2010. It is no surprise that he would side with ALPA on this issue.

Proposed requirements summary:

1,500 hours and an ATP for all 121 carrier pilots with the exceptions below:

750 hours and an ATP for military pilots

1,000 hours and an ATP for pilots with a Bachelor's Degree in Aviation related areas.

From the beginning, ALPA has opposed the increase to 1,500 hours in an effort to protect future pilots of the regional airlines. Understanding that raising the requirement to 1,500 hours and requiring an ATP would raise the level of safety and the value of a pilot career, somehow ALPA chose to disregard those benefits and support even weaker restrictions proposed by the Regional Airline Association. The conflict of interest ALPA continues to operate under is clearly exemplified by this behavior.

At the first opportunity for comment, CAPA, which provides the political voice for most independent carriers outside of ALPA including SWA, APA, UPS, and USAPA, offered its full support for the 1,500 hour requirement by Congress and added the ATP requirement as well. CAPA participated equally in the Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) alongside ALPA as the FAA began to study the issue. Even though the ARC sided with ALPA's position in its final recommendation, the intent of the Airline Safety Act would ultimately prevail. Several State Representatives spoke up about ALPA's misguided position when it became apparent that the intent of the Aviation Safety Act was being circumvented.

Mainline pilots are truly fortunate that ALPA recommendations were largely ignored while CAPA recommendations were largely upheld.

With this new NPRM, mainline pilots have the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to raise safety AND the value of our profession in one change to the FARs. How ALPA could squander this opportunity is beyond comprehension yet completely understandable when considering ALPA's allegiance to its regional members. When the Delta Pilots Association is successfully certified as the exclusive representative of all Delta Pilots, we will RUN, not walk, to the waiting group of independent pilots that make up CAPA and join with them in the restoration of the piloting profession. ALPA is no longer relevant to mainline pilots.

So when an ALPA proponent states that we cannot afford to do without ALPA's "powerful" political voice, simply say......YES WE CAN!

scambo1

go quiver in fear somewhere else.

SierraWhiskey

What do you recommend? I just finished test firing the 1911, HK45 and XD45. I liked the HK feel, but loved the safety features of the XD.

Sink r8

I don't know. To answer your question, and Carl's, with a question... does it really matter? The context of the discussion was who's got the biggest [...], and I think King and I agree it's not necessary to go there.

For the historians among us...

I don't actually even remember who the pilot was who told me this story, but I thought he was close friends with one of your negotiators, or something like that. As I recall, you guys were at the 11th hour, and your negotiators and the NMB are at the appointed time, at the hotel, and a bartender tells your guys you just struck, which was a surprise to them. The rest of the story, as I heard it, was that the company had started mothballing airplanes, had a plan for some LBO, where it would be sold in pieces, with AMR getting the Pacific. Administration threw two huge kinks in the plan. I don't remember the first, but the second was that the Pacific routes were not transferable the way your management intended: the US would get them. That stopped the transaction, and turned the hose back on management, who had to negotiate something in a hurry.

Is it plausible or true? It sounded right to me, and the guy sounded credible. Does it matter? Not really. I think King was making a different point than what I understood initially when replying about the strike. You guys can be proud that you struck, and still take nothing away from your compadres on the other side of the shoeline. Wear that t-shirt.

Carl Spackler

Juvenille comments aside, do you understand that the 747-400 has the second to lowest CASM at Delta? Second only to the 757-300?

Carl

Sink r8

True enough. But I was saying it would take years to get to the PEB, not that the PEB would take years.