JABDIP

Is the trip pay on top of my monthly credit. No need to pick up if I get no more pay.

acl65pilot

The JPWA did not have the protections, and we all knew that DAL wanted to off load the debt commitments for those jets. They are still paying them but only after TSH pays them and as a result zeroing out the debt on the ledger.

The could not sell OH, so we all could see that CPS was the prime target. We are where we are. Stinks, but no body listened, and the DFR treats were just too great to overcome.

Move along now, nothing to see here.

acl65pilot

As I understand it yes. I have flown with a few guys that GSed when they got a trip taken for TOE. Also there are some new provisions that LOA 29 provides in this scenario. Look at those.

Some pilots have decided to opt out of their recovery obligations, lose the original trip pay, and then GSed on those days for more money.

Express pilot

We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is.

Elvis90

So a 3rd year DAL MD-88 FO on reserve can expect about $80,000 for a W-2, 50% less than the equivalent SWA FO. That is complete ^#{|>ŁĄ^}!

This next contract better be good. My DPA card has already been sent to light a fire under ALPA.

georgetg

I'll bite.
For me this issue is less about the RAH DCI flying and more about enforcing existing language in our contract.

Our contract is interesting in that it specifies only Delta pilots can perform delta flying. Then there are subsections of Section 1 that open holes in the very strong scope clause we have. A hole for RJs, a hole for AFKLM, a hole for AS and so on.
It's in one of these subsections that we permit RJs, but try to keep it buttoned up by having language that restricts RJ operators from flying bigger equipment. The PWA authors didn't wan't Delta sending small jet flying to another airline if they also had bigger jets.
The slippery slope is the bad precedent we set when we permit certain sections of our contract to be bent or overridden or re-interpreted. Our contract already has enough bonafide holes in it. Not enforcing sections for any reason makes it even worse.

As for Alaska, I'm particularly unhappy about the Section 1 and the Alaska EMA. Unfortunately there is specific language in our contract that explicitly permits that operation. To get that flying back we would have to rewrite that section and that would probably come with the phrase "what are you willing to give up."

In regards to RAH, with the election for the IBT the conflict of interest for ALPA has been removed in regards to the Midwest pilots. RAH has realized their issue and is trying to spin off Frontier 2 years after buying the operation.*

• The language is there.
• RAH is flying the Baby Airbus.
• A federal agency has findings to support it.
• Its our contract, lets make sure its followed.

If Delta needs that section written in a way to permit this type of operation, they can ask us what we would like them to "give up" in exchange. ;-)

Cheers
George

* I'm not sure I buy the ALPA conflict of interest spin. Continental successfully fought and won their grievance for Continental putting the CO code on United Express 70 seat RJs out of Houston in direct violation of their 50-seat RJ limit. Some of the UAX carriers flying CRJ-700s are ALPA carriers.

Jesse

Or said another way:

So a 3rd year DAL MD-88 FO on reserve can expect about $80,000 for a W-2, 50% less than the equivalent (future) fAirTran FO.

buzzpat

Just pulled back into the chocks early this morning. Let me condense it and filter it for the board.

Bucking Bar

George,

Thanks for your post.

Scoop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Express pilot

We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is




Elvis,

I wouldn't put too much weight to specific W-2 assertions on this thread. A few days back a post mentioned a 5 yr SWA FO who said his W-2 was $145,000. It is very hard to make specific comparisons between DAL and SWA but it should be clear to everyone including DALPA - Our compensation is poor and needs to increase.


Scoop