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Old 08-08-2013, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
For what it is worth, they did an experiment back in 98 doing just that. I am sure the data is still there, but there were not a lot of benefits according to what was presented.. Keeping pilots and FAs together is not as simple or cost effective as it may seem ...
FWIW, the FA's are great and all, but as an FO it is nice to have them stay somewhere else and not have the "sonny, my bags ...", "the pilots used to buy us (drinks/dinner/entertainment)", the once in a while getting hit on by someone 25+ years older than my wife and pure drama of whatever domestic disaster has befallen their (partner/spouse/cat/kid). Delta's FA's are mostly responsible, professional and friendly. If you've flown for an airline where you (the pilots) have to babysit ... you really appreciate the fact that Delta's cabin crew are self reliant, responsible, professional and friendly adults.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
9. A short call pilot:

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44 f. will be released from on-call duty not later than 1200 base time on his last on-call day
45 prior to a hard non-fly day.


From the current Live contract

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Doesn't that only apply if you are going into a golden day off? I though SC could go beyond noon if you are just going into a normal x day.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I do think it is almost as simple as that. However, I agree with your definitions of productivity wrt pilots and the company. I think dal likes an amount of nonproductivity and I think they like reroute flexibility.
Yep ... with the new FTDT Delta will "optimize" reroute opportunities. In some ways lineholders will be like reserves... bid the days off you want and SC periods because with the hard limits all airlines are going to have to do some quit and dirty juggling during IROPS.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
For what it is worth, they did an experiment back in 98 doing just that. I am sure the data is still there, but there were not a lot of benefits according to what was presented..
I'm sure that 1998 data is still valid. It's gotta be.
After all, nothing's changed in the last 15 years.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:43 AM
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9. A short call pilot:

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44 f. will be released from on-call duty not later than 1200 base time on his last on-call day
45 prior to a
hard non-fly day.


From the current Live contract

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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Doesn't that only apply if you are going into a golden day off? I though SC could go beyond noon if you are just going into a normal x day.


Yes - that is what it means by "hard non-fly day." Golden days, MIL LV,
Vacation on the subsequent day will trigger a noon release.

A regular X day does not trigger a noon release.

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Old 08-08-2013, 10:52 AM
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:17 PM
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Well, ALPA finally addressed DPA head on. The most disapointing thing in their latest missive was this one:

Since the DPA repeatedly states their “(i)nfluence (will be) used solely for Delta pilot mandates,” it may be they are unclear that the organization they wish to join, CAPA, represents mostly pilots in competition with Delta pilots, and many of those fly regional jets. This would appear to support the idea of a national professional organization like ALPA.

Doesn't ALPA represent pilots that are in direct competition with us? and doesn't ALPA also most represent regional pilots?

Why did that memo sound like it came from the White House press room?
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:17 PM
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You think those youtube hits are bad. Search wheel of fortune clam digger. BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT COULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO WATCH. The expression on the contestants as well as pat sajak's face is priceless. Obviously the contestant seems hesitant to give a letter.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
Well, ALPA finally addressed DPA head on. The most disapointing thing in their latest missive was this one:

Since the DPA repeatedly states their “(i)nfluence (will be) used solely for Delta pilot mandates,” it may be they are unclear that the organization they wish to join, CAPA, represents mostly pilots in competition with Delta pilots, and many of those fly regional jets. This would appear to support the idea of a national professional organization like ALPA.

Doesn't ALPA represent pilots that are in direct competition with us? and doesn't ALPA also most represent regional pilots?

Why did that memo sound like it came from the White House press room?
I think it means that any union, association, or group that wants to represent enough pilots to have critical mass greater than a single group, and leverage to sit down at the table when policy is crafted, by definition has to also represent other groups.

But we already knew that.

It's one of the juiciest red herrings to be sure, because we are all mad about the (self-inflicted) RJ outsourcing problem, so the DPA would have you believe that it wouldn't feel like we have to work with those groups after we got rid of ALPA. But CAPA deals with them, ALPA deals with them, and it's generally better that way.

Just doesn't feel better.

The root of the problem is the fact we got drunk one decade or so, and fathered all these little RJ groups. We wish we didn't, but we did. Now they're in the family. Kicking them out of the house doesn't delete their presence, or lessen their danger to us.
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
Well, ALPA finally addressed DPA head on. The most disapointing thing in their latest missive was this one:

Since the DPA repeatedly states their “(i)nfluence (will be) used solely for Delta pilot mandates,” it may be they are unclear that the organization they wish to join, CAPA, represents mostly pilots in competition with Delta pilots, and many of those fly regional jets. This would appear to support the idea of a national professional organization like ALPA.

Doesn't ALPA represent pilots that are in direct competition with us? and doesn't ALPA also most represent regional pilots?
ALPA's logic is completely flawed.

Surely they realize whatever post-ALPA lobbying association Delta pilots join (or form) will immediately gain a massive amount of money, and thus, influence.
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