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08-20-2009, 12:19 PM
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I've commuted enough in my life and I currently do not need to nor want to commute until I retire BUT I know full well I could be commuting at any time so I always support better commuter policies. People who, at any airline mind you, say "live in your base" annoy me and I do live in base. So I as an ATL live in base guy will support better commuter policies.
08-20-2009, 12:28 PM
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Heyas RVR,
With the current MOU 7 debacle, I seriously doubt we're going to see any unity any time soon.
After hearing what I heard today, this issue has elevated north/south relations to "crisis". If left to stand as is, there will be a rift that will take years, if not decades to heal.
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With the current MOU 7 debacle, I seriously doubt we're going to see any unity any time soon.
After hearing what I heard today, this issue has elevated north/south relations to "crisis". If left to stand as is, there will be a rift that will take years, if not decades to heal.
Nu
We are talking about which DAL-N guys get to bid which DAL-N seats. You make it sound like some huge crisis when in fact it is mostly an old Red Book-Green Book issue.
08-20-2009, 12:32 PM
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I agree. It's definitely PI$$ING in some guys Cheerios, buts it's far from a Crisis.
08-20-2009, 12:41 PM
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08-20-2009, 12:48 PM
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08-20-2009, 12:55 PM
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Go and read the ALPA web boards and see what guys say that are in the top 10% of the company, have been held out of WB aircraft and now the rules are changing and they are again held out..... Can you say lawsuit.
08-20-2009, 01:09 PM
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The tempest in a teapot brewing over there is over the perceived change in rolling of the cards for the APA process. A bunch of folks think that it is somehow related to the Anchorage base closure. It isn't. It's about PRIP.
As far as filling of vacancies, how many vacancies does a 15% systemwide reduction in block hours create? How many vacancies does a base closure create? How many vacancies does parking the entire fleet of 747-200's create? How many vacancies does parking 4 of 16 747-400 create?
Easy answer. Each creates displacements. No advancements. Those guys "held out" don't have vacancies to bid into. The results using the APA process would have been the same with or without MOU-7. The results of the PRIP would have been far different. Only 2 of 26 747-400 Captains that took the PRIP are leaving before December. Absent MOU-7 and their ability to hit their milestones, how many of the remaining 24 would have opted to stay?
The MEC directed that each pre-merger group benefit from its own PRIPS. It directed that each pilot be allowed to hit milestones. That's what MOU-7 does.
Some crisis. The misrepresentation to heat this teapot is ridiculous.
08-20-2009, 01:13 PM
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Before they talk about lawsuits, they may want to read the contract they signed last June. Section 22.
08-20-2009, 01:15 PM
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Sure I can. Just like Tanksley, et. al. Anybody can sue. To win you generally have to have a case.
The tempest in a teapot brewing over there is over the perceived change in rolling of the cards for the APA process. A bunch of folks think that it is somehow related to the Anchorage base closure. It isn't. It's about PRIP.
As far as filling of vacancies, how many vacancies does a 15% systemwide reduction in block hours create? How many vacancies does a base closure create? How many vacancies does parking the entire fleet of 747-200's create? How many vacancies does parking 4 of 16 747-400 create?
Easy answer. Each creates displacements. No advancements. Those guys "held out" don't have vacancies to bid into. The results using the APA process would have been the same with or without MOU-7. The results of the PRIP would have been far different. Only 2 of 26 747-400 Captains that took the PRIP are leaving before December. Absent MOU-7 and their ability to hit their milestones, how many of the remaining 24 would have opted to stay?
The MEC directed that each pre-merger group benefit from its own PRIPS. It directed that each pilot be allowed to hit milestones. That's what MOU-7 does.
Some crisis. The misrepresentation to heat this teapot is ridiculous.
The tempest in a teapot brewing over there is over the perceived change in rolling of the cards for the APA process. A bunch of folks think that it is somehow related to the Anchorage base closure. It isn't. It's about PRIP.
As far as filling of vacancies, how many vacancies does a 15% systemwide reduction in block hours create? How many vacancies does a base closure create? How many vacancies does parking the entire fleet of 747-200's create? How many vacancies does parking 4 of 16 747-400 create?
Easy answer. Each creates displacements. No advancements. Those guys "held out" don't have vacancies to bid into. The results using the APA process would have been the same with or without MOU-7. The results of the PRIP would have been far different. Only 2 of 26 747-400 Captains that took the PRIP are leaving before December. Absent MOU-7 and their ability to hit their milestones, how many of the remaining 24 would have opted to stay?
The MEC directed that each pre-merger group benefit from its own PRIPS. It directed that each pilot be allowed to hit milestones. That's what MOU-7 does.
Some crisis. The misrepresentation to heat this teapot is ridiculous.
...And you wonder why people so veraciously question what is done by the union...
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08-20-2009, 01:24 PM
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Lets change 85-90% of the way you do things, change how you control your life (PBS),how you get to work-or not, your sick leave, your insurance, your vacation, moving 800-1200 pages in Jepps, getting new books....and change how you get paid, you may be a tad upset.
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