Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Latest on Midwest Airlines >

Latest on Midwest Airlines

Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

Latest on Midwest Airlines

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-15-2009, 04:23 AM
  #81  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 867
Default

Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY
You're right. Midwest pilots paid millions to ALPA national to protect their jobs and the negotiated scope language was ruled worthless.

They schould get their money back due to worthless scope language!
Yea. Hopefully, ALPA wakes up and learns from the weaknesses in the Midwest and Skyway contracts. Something about "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
deadstick35 is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 04:24 AM
  #82  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: retired
Posts: 992
Default

Originally Posted by Killer51883
Im sorry how is the E170 inferior? While its true we cant carry as much cargo as midwest does on some routes we also burn alot less gas (MONEY) with are 75% full airplanes than they do with their 50% full 717's.

You've got your numbers backwards. The 717 load factors are approaching 90% and the 170s aren't even half full. It would appear people are booking around them. Of course, if you giving tickets away, all of this is meaningless.
Dougdrvr is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 05:19 AM
  #83  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: retired
Posts: 992
Angry

Originally Posted by MD80
Delta answers Airtrans growth plan in Milwaukee...


Minneapolis connection

The Delta-Midwest code share will make connections easier for Midwest passengers who fly through Minneapolis, said Greg Aretakis, Midwest vice president of planning and revenue management.
A passenger who flies Midwest to Minneapolis arrives at that airport's Humphrey terminal. The passenger must then take a light rail shuttle to the airport's main Lindbergh terminal to catch a connecting Northwest flight.
Under the new arrangement with Delta, Midwest is moving its Minneapolis operations to the Lindbergh terminal, where Delta is taking over the Northwest gates, Aretakis said.
"You'll be able to get on Midwest, fly to Mitchell, walk down four gates and catch a flight (on Delta/Northwest)," Aretakis said. The move to the Lindbergh terminal will occur within two months, he said.
Much of the code share for Midwest passengers will likely be on flights that go through Atlanta to connect on Delta flights to Florida and other destinations in the Southeast and on Delta flights through its Salt Lake City hub to West-Coast destinations, he said.
More choices

The code share creates more scheduling and connection choices for passengers, Aretakis said, while creating opportunities for Midwest to earn additional revenue.
For Delta, the code-share and frequent-flier partnerships are important because of the large number of Milwaukee-area passengers who fly on Northwest, Reichart said.
The Milwaukee area has the fourth-largest concentration of Northwest frequent fliers in the world, after Minneapolis, Detroit and Memphis, Reichart said. Extending the Midwest-Northwest partnerships to include Delta is a way for Delta to make those Northwest customers happy, he said.
"Expanding our alliance relationships to include Midwest Airlines is another customer benefit created by Delta's merger with Northwest Airlines," said Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive officer, in a statement.
Delta, through its acquisition of Northwest, has a 47% non-management stake in Midwest. Northwest joined majority owner Fort Worth, Texas-based TPG Capital to purchase Midwest in a deal that closed in January 2008.
The new frequent-flier and code-share partnerships with Delta also will boost Midwest's credibility, Reichart said
Doesn't anyone else see what a nifty way this all skirts Delta scope and screws ALL pilots in the end? This code share is ONE-WAY. Certain Delta flights will be carrying the YX code but the Midwest flights can't carry the DL code. What's to keep RAH from replacing the 170s with 190s and feeding Delta with the YX code? They don't have to negotiate a new pay rate for 90+ seats since they already have a *hitty one in place. All Midwest has to do is keep one or two airplanes still on the certificate just to keep the code and all the flying is outsourced to not only RAH but Delta too.
Dougdrvr is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 06:55 AM
  #84  
A moment please...
 
JetPiedmont's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: Just passin' thru
Posts: 769
Default

Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY
You're right. Midwest pilots paid millions to ALPA national to protect their jobs and the negotiated scope language was ruled worthless.
DH, how did that happen? What was the weakness in the contract language?
JetPiedmont is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 07:41 AM
  #85  
Gets Weekends Off
 
320ToBearz's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 361
Default

Originally Posted by Killer51883
Im sorry how is the E170 inferior? While its true we cant carry as much cargo as midwest does on some routes we also burn alot less gas (MONEY) with are 75% full airplanes than they do with their 50% full 717's.
What crappy logic is this? I just pulled up FIDS today and all of our airplanes are 90+ pax booked with 50% of those overbooked, so your numbers are off. Can we even do our US Mail contract with the poor performance of the 170? The 717 CASM numbers are lower than the 170 and the RASM numbers are higher. You were the only option available to Tim when Boeing called his bluff on the 16 717's. We wanted Phil Helmuth for CEO and we got the guy who loses in his first hand.

The dumbing down of the Midwest brand continues.......
320ToBearz is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 10:50 AM
  #86  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 867
Default

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
You were the only option available to Tim when Boeing called his bluff on the 16 717's.
Woah...I missed something here.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
The dumbing down of the Midwest brand continues.......
So true.
deadstick35 is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 12:18 PM
  #87  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
hiredgun's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 119
Default

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
What crappy logic is this? I just pulled up FIDS today and all of our airplanes are 90+ pax booked with 50% of those overbooked, so your numbers are off. Can we even do our US Mail contract with the poor performance of the 170? The 717 CASM numbers are lower than the 170 and the RASM numbers are higher. You were the only option available to Tim when Boeing called his bluff on the 16 717's. We wanted Phil Helmuth for CEO and we got the guy who loses in his first hand.

The dumbing down of the Midwest brand continues.......
Amen Bearz!! Midwest deploying the "codeshare" E170 to the former mainline non-stop route structure (what little it can) is like UPS's ground fleet replacing their tandem semi trucks with scads of contract vans and saying, "the step-vans are full, they have to stop for fuel twice as much and can't be fully loaded on their long legs" but they're doing the job!"....then wonder why all their business is going to Fedex. I'm not trying to pee in the Wheaties of the pilots who attach their ego to the aircraft type they fly, but some of the 170 defenders are overselling and overhyping this airplane. I'm just saying it's the proverbial square peg in the round hole. They fit somewhere, but not here in Milwaukee.
hiredgun is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 12:27 PM
  #88  
Gets Weekends Off
 
capncrunch's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Default

Originally Posted by Killer51883
Im sorry how is the E170 inferior? While its true we cant carry as much cargo as midwest does on some routes we also burn alot less gas (MONEY) with are 75% full airplanes than they do with their 50% full 717's.
WOW! ARE instead of OUR, impressive. Is English your 3rd language?
capncrunch is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 01:05 PM
  #89  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
hiredgun's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 119
Default

Originally Posted by capncrunch
WOW! ARE instead of OUR, impressive. Is English your 3rd language?
The "limitations" section of his pilot license says "ENGLISH PROFICENT".
hiredgun is offline  
Old 03-15-2009, 01:20 PM
  #90  
Gets Weekends Off
 
capncrunch's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Default

Originally Posted by hiredgun
The "limitations" section of his pilot license says "ENGLISH PROFICENT".
HAHA Just enough to talk on the radio but not enough to write on APC.
capncrunch is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
EWRflyr
Major
2
01-09-2009 03:12 PM
vagabond
Major
15
10-12-2008 12:07 PM
Flyboydan
Major
91
09-25-2008 04:50 AM
BoilerUP
Regional
110
09-06-2008 08:11 PM
DLax85
Cargo
3
08-30-2008 07:00 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices