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02-11-2009, 11:28 AM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 361
Cross what, its not our line to not cross. We don't go to work we loose our jobs, period. We don't have the right to strike. Don't believe any of them would fall on their swords for any of us. WE didn't make this deal! Our Airlines weren't failing.
I've been very supportive of the fact that this deal blows from the word go, it's comments like that though that make me not care anymore. This whole mess (regional airlines doing mainline flying for less $) should have been fixed 15-20 years ago. I spent on the issue, lets start talking about how to fix it instead of wasting time pointing the finger and blaming someone else.
I've been very supportive of the fact that this deal blows from the word go, it's comments like that though that make me not care anymore. This whole mess (regional airlines doing mainline flying for less $) should have been fixed 15-20 years ago. I spent on the issue, lets start talking about how to fix it instead of wasting time pointing the finger and blaming someone else.
"Should have been fixed 15-20 years ago" is absolute CRAP of an excuse on your part. What part is your MEC doing to actually DISCOURAGE this practice? Nothing. They are the represented body of you. What are you doing?
02-11-2009, 12:11 PM
#64
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 798
Cross what, its not our line to not cross. We don't go to work we loose our jobs, period. We don't have the right to strike. Don't believe any of them would fall on their swords for any of us. WE didn't make this deal! Our Airlines weren't failing.
I've been very supportive of the fact that this deal blows from the word go, it's comments like that though that make me not care anymore. This whole mess (regional airlines doing mainline flying for less $) should have been fixed 15-20 years ago. I spent on the issue, lets start talking about how to fix it instead of wasting time pointing the finger and blaming someone else.
I've been very supportive of the fact that this deal blows from the word go, it's comments like that though that make me not care anymore. This whole mess (regional airlines doing mainline flying for less $) should have been fixed 15-20 years ago. I spent on the issue, lets start talking about how to fix it instead of wasting time pointing the finger and blaming someone else.
The Worlds Largest Airline Union could have set a new direction, but the Delta MEC is all about greed and seniority. They could have said, "No side letter on Deltas 47% ownership of Midwest." "We (Delta pilots) want that flying added to Delta and we will negotiate a merger of the Midwest pilots."
The Delta MEC wanted to protect against 400 pilots being added to their seniority list. True brothers in ALPA.
The Midwest purchase by TPG/NWA/Delta was all about stopping Airtran. The Midwest pilots were sacrificed to help the Worlds Largest Airline Unon save a few seniority numbers.
This is the future of ALPA national.
Last edited by MD80; 02-11-2009 at 07:22 PM.
02-11-2009, 12:21 PM
#65
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
It is something that is going on at our MEC level. I can assure you it is not what most rank and file think or feel.
I have brought it up many times to our guys. Fact is that with less than 100 on your active list they are the ones that would get slotted in. The rest no so much. It sucks, but I wanted you guys here. I still write my reps about it every week or so.
I have brought it up many times to our guys. Fact is that with less than 100 on your active list they are the ones that would get slotted in. The rest no so much. It sucks, but I wanted you guys here. I still write my reps about it every week or so.
02-11-2009, 01:48 PM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 798
It is something that is going on at our MEC level. I can assure you it is not what most rank and file think or feel.
I have brought it up many times to our guys. Fact is that with less than 100 on your active list they are the ones that would get slotted in. The rest no so much. It sucks, but I wanted you guys here. I still write my reps about it every week or so.
I have brought it up many times to our guys. Fact is that with less than 100 on your active list they are the ones that would get slotted in. The rest no so much. It sucks, but I wanted you guys here. I still write my reps about it every week or so.
And your MEC is the future of ALPA.
Give me the Teamsters or an in-house union
02-11-2009, 04:07 PM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 259
The Worlds Largest Airline Union could have set a new direction, but the Delta MEC is all about greed and seniority. They could have said, "No side letter on Deltas 47% ownership of Midwest. We want that flying added to Delta and we will negotiate a merger of the Midwest pilots."
The Delta MEC wanted to protect against 400 pilots being added to their seniority list. True brothers in ALPA.
The Midwest purchase by TPG/NWA/Delta was all about stopping Airtran. The Midwest pilots were sacrificed to help the Worlds Largest Airline Unon save a few seniority numbers.
This is the future of ALPA national.
The Delta MEC wanted to protect against 400 pilots being added to their seniority list. True brothers in ALPA.
The Midwest purchase by TPG/NWA/Delta was all about stopping Airtran. The Midwest pilots were sacrificed to help the Worlds Largest Airline Unon save a few seniority numbers.
This is the future of ALPA national.
United was going to merge with US Airways. When the merger with America West was handled by ALPA, they tried to sacrifice US Airways pilots so the future United pilots would gain seniority after a tainted arbitration by pilot "neutrals" from United and Praters puppet from Continental.
ALPA was in the process of being kicked off the property at US Airways, the tainted attempt to combine the list was one of the first nails in the ALPA coffin.
02-11-2009, 04:12 PM
#68
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
You flying OUR routes is MY problem. Further encouraging this behavior with gleefully lapping up more flying only encourages management. You are part of the problem.
"Should have been fixed 15-20 years ago" is absolute CRAP of an excuse on your part. What part is your MEC doing to actually DISCOURAGE this practice? Nothing. They are the represented body of you. What are you doing?
"Should have been fixed 15-20 years ago" is absolute CRAP of an excuse on your part. What part is your MEC doing to actually DISCOURAGE this practice? Nothing. They are the represented body of you. What are you doing?
Option B)Midwest receives cash and contract RAH keeping half the employees there but ultimately will end within a year.
A dieing airline is a dieing airline. Midwest couldn't make it on their own. Now it looks like they won't make it with RAH. What's the real problem here? All that happened is a few Midwest guys got to keep their jobs for a little while longer. I wasn't for any of this but taking a step back and looking at the big picture I don't see how anyone can really be upset with RAH since it was doomesday anyway. One way noone had a job, the other half did even if for just a little while.
I understand you're upset but don't show ignorance in thinking the pilots had any say in any of this considering we both found out at the same time. We can't be faulted for what you didn't have protected in your contract.
02-11-2009, 04:37 PM
#69
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 259
"I will stand by the Midwest Airline Pilots, even if it requires me to change my zip code to Milwaukee, Wisconsin"
John Prater
ALPA president during a rally of Midwest Pilots.
02-11-2009, 06:23 PM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 361
A dieing airline is a dieing airline. Midwest couldn't make it on their own. Now it looks like they won't make it with RAH. What's the real problem here? All that happened is a few Midwest guys got to keep their jobs for a little while longer. I wasn't for any of this but taking a step back and looking at the big picture I don't see how anyone can really be upset with RAH since it was doomesday anyway. One way noone had a job, the other half did even if for just a little while.
I understand you're upset but don't show ignorance in thinking the pilots had any say in any of this considering we both found out at the same time. We can't be faulted for what you didn't have protected in your contract.
I understand you're upset but don't show ignorance in thinking the pilots had any say in any of this considering we both found out at the same time. We can't be faulted for what you didn't have protected in your contract.
I realize you want to stop your career where you are with your contract with limited retirement, benefits, etc. but sapping off the backs of airlines with better ones isn't benefitting anyone but management. Dying airline or no dying airline.
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