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#91
Basically the story we heard from the outgoing MEC was Seabury told Tim to play hardball with Boeing on the lease rates for the 717 never envisioning they would yank them. Well they did. I love how much money we give to Seabury every month and the wonderful advice they give. They are either idiots or are acting under ulterior motives.
#92
Doesn't anyone else see what a nifty way this all skirts Delta scope and screws ALL pilots in the end? This code share is ONE-WAY. Certain Delta flights will be carrying the YX code but the Midwest flights can't carry the DL code. What's to keep RAH from replacing the 170s with 190s and feeding Delta with the YX code? They don't have to negotiate a new pay rate for 90+ seats since they already have a *hitty one in place. All Midwest has to do is keep one or two airplanes still on the certificate just to keep the code and all the flying is outsourced to not only RAH but Delta too.
#94
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 867
Basically the story we heard from the outgoing MEC was Seabury told Tim to play hardball with Boeing on the lease rates for the 717 never envisioning they would yank them. Well they did. I love how much money we give to Seabury every month and the wonderful advice they give. They are either idiots or are acting under ulterior motives.
Beautiful...what a tool.
#95
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: E-170/175 FO
Posts: 165
No flamebait necessary. (A) To imply that a person sits in front of Hotwire or Obitz and says, hmm i'm gonna book my flight and arrange my travel based on "oh well that plane has 20 or more seats, cant be inferior. I'll take that one" is, well dumb. and (B) BB dosen't give a damn about our pilot group let alone yours. It's BUSINESS and he wants those big RJ's on property yesterday!! He is gonna find a way to make that happen at the expense of anyone. Sure i'm not the only one who can see that.
#96
Not So Stupid
I know plenty of businessmen that travel a lot that have told me they avoid flying on anything other than mainline. They hate the RJs (even for a short flight) and the new 170s seats are too hard. They say it's like riding on plywood for a couple of hours and can't stand it. These guys are not the LUV crowd though, they are the gold and platinum crowd. Definitely a minority, but a very valuable minority.
#97
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 28
I know plenty of businessmen that travel a lot that have told me they avoid flying on anything other than mainline. They hate the RJs (even for a short flight) and the new 170s seats are too hard. They say it's like riding on plywood for a couple of hours and can't stand it. These guys are not the LUV crowd though, they are the gold and platinum crowd. Definitely a minority, but a very valuable minority.
I think I call BS on that one... the 170's seats are too hard?? Really I think its terrible what RAH is doing to Midwest, but "the seats are too hard". give me a break...
#98
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: retired
Posts: 992
I think we've found someone that actually sports a "guppy killer" sticker on his pristine flight case.
BTW, it's poor form to use your actual picture for an avatar. That is you on the right isn't it
#99
More accurately customers are in fact booking away from the watered-down Midwest product mostly due to the 170's inability to fly non-stop to places like Ft Myers FL. Sure MKE pax would put up with the inferior RAH product if the fare was cheaper and the flights were nonstop--but many no longer are. I've lived in Milwaukee most of my life and can tell you airline pax up here got accustomed to flying Midwest non-stop to major cities and many medium and small ones. Formerly loyal Midwest customers are booking Air Tran in droves so they can go nonstop in a 737/717 instead of stopping in MCI so the Barbie-jet E170 can refuel. So Homie while you arrogantly and gleefully dance on the graves of the mainline Midwest pilots' six figure jobs making less money than the guy who mows my lawn, realize in the MKE market the RAH E170 product and operational capability is inferior and they're getting their a*ses handed to them by Air Tran. Even the slow-leaks managing Midwest can fill 70 seaters by lowering the total seats...duhhh. Downsizing to profitablity--a historically winning strategy in the airline business...yah right! Seabury better give CEO Timmy new marching orders, get their sh*t in one sock and procure some real mainline jets with lift and range or they're simply another Delta Connection carrier with a handful of quaint O & D flight segments. E195s? By the time that happens, Midwest-Connect-operated-by-Repbublic-Airlines will have to wrestle back huge market share from Air Tran a day late and a dollar short. No doubt they'll have fare sales to recapture market share afforded with all that unrestricted cash RAH is piling up for them. Oh and that was sarcasm.
#100
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
No flamebait necessary. (A) To imply that a person sits in front of Hotwire or Obitz and says, hmm i'm gonna book my flight and arrange my travel based on "oh well that plane has 20 or more seats, cant be inferior. I'll take that one" is, well dumb. and (B) BB dosen't give a damn about our pilot group let alone yours. It's BUSINESS and he wants those big RJ's on property yesterday!! He is gonna find a way to make that happen at the expense of anyone. Sure i'm not the only one who can see that.
First of all homie, it's not MY pilot group. I do not, and never have worked for Midwest Airlines.
Second, if you don't think for one minute that there ARE people who INTENTIONALLY book around RJs you are DELUSIONAL! People who fly every week get tired of RJs that are smaller, less comfortable, and often have broken equipment due to the fact that they are run by a contract company that maximizes their profits by minimizing there product. Not everyone who flies books on Orbitz, Expedia, etc. Some are very loyal customers who book on the company's website, and yes they book around RJs. I'm not saying everyone does, but you need to understand there are people who do it.
If I were you, I would worry less about the load factors on your precious E170 and worry more about them going to Midwest Pilots were they belong.
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