Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-01-2009, 07:49 PM
#61
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Unfortunately no I don't believe so.....
I've been told the worst thing for the Mesaba flow through would be a merger with Comair becasue the flow would be cancelled the same day.....
Comair managed to cheese off not only Delta but Delta's pilots too.....
sad since there are so many there now that had nothing to do with any of it....
I've been told the worst thing for the Mesaba flow through would be a merger with Comair becasue the flow would be cancelled the same day.....
Comair managed to cheese off not only Delta but Delta's pilots too.....
sad since there are so many there now that had nothing to do with any of it....
02-02-2009, 04:05 AM
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So, my question in all this is...Say you guys get CPZ stapled on to your list. Is it then only that portion (CPZ's 36 E175's) that the DL pilot group will fly? Or would it be that ALL 76 seat flying and up be done at DL? And if the latter, what about the CR9's that DL owns as well as the contracts it has with other DCI carriers?
02-02-2009, 04:34 AM
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We can all hope. I do not think that we will see 70 seat flying under the mainline banner anytime soon, maybe 76 seat flying. CPZ is our only hope for that.
Call you reps or at least e-mail them and tell them, and keep telling them that this is something you want. It is the only way that it will get done.
Better yet, get involved at ALPA. There are some positions that require little or no work, but need to be done. Every bit helps.
Call you reps or at least e-mail them and tell them, and keep telling them that this is something you want. It is the only way that it will get done.
Better yet, get involved at ALPA. There are some positions that require little or no work, but need to be done. Every bit helps.
02-02-2009, 05:04 AM
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On the subject of scope, the longer regional pilots are seen as competitors and not union brothers and sisters, then you will keep seeing problems like the RJDC. ALPA overstepped their bounds when they sided with Delta against Comair. This resulted in a lawsuit. RJ Defense Coalition
Management plays mainlines and expresses against each other. As long as mainline pilot agree to play along, the expresses will have no choice but to defend themselves. Mainline pilots seem to think the one and only solution is for the express pilots to give up and go home. This is not an option.
The best option is for both to join together as a single group against management. This rarely over happens. What mostly happens is management holds a doggie treat above our heads and says "Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?" then gives it to the group which best serves their interests.
02-02-2009, 05:10 AM
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I got nothin against t-props. If I could get good QOL like I have now and decent pay and Im happy.
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02-02-2009, 05:11 AM
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ALPA overstepped their bounds when they sided with Delta against Comair. This resulted in a lawsuit. RJ Defense Coalition
02-02-2009, 05:16 AM
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The Compass guys get a pass for being right place/right time. It happens sometimes, so don't be a hater. If bringing CPZ on board also means parking/cancelling the DCI 70 seat operators, well too bad, so sad...there are checks to haul and props to turn. I for one will not shed a single crocodile tear.
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02-02-2009, 05:18 AM
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02-02-2009, 05:19 AM
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I am quite familiar with the RJDC deal and its founder. I need no introduction to that.
There are very few, but some from the regional level that have major issues with not being able to get DOH and slide right in to the left seat of a 767. The dance was played earlier in the decade. Too many people wanted to many things. They need to get beyond that.
I was a regional guy myself. I know what it was like over there. I know the politics. I can tell you that CPZ by far has the best chance of getting on to the DAL master list. There are so many things going for them. If there is to be any way to get OH, EV, etc on our list, we need to get CPZ on first. We have to prove that in fact there is a cost savings to the company to have these platforms and operation on the DAL Op Cert.
There are also other issues with many of the DCI carriers. Mesaba, Comair, and ASA are the only ones that do not fly for other airlines. (Off the top of my head. Maybe Pinnacle doesn't either) They have a better chance than SKW, Republic and their branded flying, etc.
Realize that if you want to be treated equal, and for the most part I believe that the pilots are of the same level, there needs to be some things understood. In essence they are the same things (issues) that made this a non starter nine years ago.
I also agree that the DAL MEC needs to have a change in opinion on this. See, there is a real fear that if we allow small jets at mainline, many of the narrow bodies of mainline will be replaced with RJ's. It is a valid fear, but one that I think can be dealt with with the same type of scope language we have to the DCI carriers of today. (Something of that sort)
It's not that I do not agree with the intent of what you are saying, it is just that there is a lot that has gone on that would need to be nipped before anyone could have a true chance at this. (Except CPZ)
There are very few, but some from the regional level that have major issues with not being able to get DOH and slide right in to the left seat of a 767. The dance was played earlier in the decade. Too many people wanted to many things. They need to get beyond that.
I was a regional guy myself. I know what it was like over there. I know the politics. I can tell you that CPZ by far has the best chance of getting on to the DAL master list. There are so many things going for them. If there is to be any way to get OH, EV, etc on our list, we need to get CPZ on first. We have to prove that in fact there is a cost savings to the company to have these platforms and operation on the DAL Op Cert.
There are also other issues with many of the DCI carriers. Mesaba, Comair, and ASA are the only ones that do not fly for other airlines. (Off the top of my head. Maybe Pinnacle doesn't either) They have a better chance than SKW, Republic and their branded flying, etc.
Realize that if you want to be treated equal, and for the most part I believe that the pilots are of the same level, there needs to be some things understood. In essence they are the same things (issues) that made this a non starter nine years ago.
I also agree that the DAL MEC needs to have a change in opinion on this. See, there is a real fear that if we allow small jets at mainline, many of the narrow bodies of mainline will be replaced with RJ's. It is a valid fear, but one that I think can be dealt with with the same type of scope language we have to the DCI carriers of today. (Something of that sort)
It's not that I do not agree with the intent of what you are saying, it is just that there is a lot that has gone on that would need to be nipped before anyone could have a true chance at this. (Except CPZ)
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