Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-08-2009, 10:25 AM
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I am not sure I understand the question. You can't have one list across multiple contracts, that is in our scope language and it is part of ALPA merger policy. I am pretty sure all the connection carriers have the same language. With separate contracts you can make flow through agreements. You can make an extremely tight flow through that would operate almost exactly like a single list, but that would be extremely difficult to negotiate. There are many senior pilots at connection carriers that have good careers and they may not want to have any part of a 100% flow through. It was easier at Compass, because they were all new hires or furloughed NWA pilots.
To have one list and one contract, you have to get the companies merged. That merger has to be initiated by the companies involved. As I said above you can try to force a merger through contractual provisions, which I don't think is likely, or you can get management to want to do the merger, which is possible.
I wouldn't necessarily assume that because you don't hear a lot about this issue that nobody is thinking about it. Management is probably pretty task saturated with the current merger, it may be best to set the stage for the near future rather than try to force the issue now.
To have one list and one contract, you have to get the companies merged. That merger has to be initiated by the companies involved. As I said above you can try to force a merger through contractual provisions, which I don't think is likely, or you can get management to want to do the merger, which is possible.
I wouldn't necessarily assume that because you don't hear a lot about this issue that nobody is thinking about it. Management is probably pretty task saturated with the current merger, it may be best to set the stage for the near future rather than try to force the issue now.
Great post, Management controls mergers and the seniority list. That part surprises some pilots who for some reason think that ALPA controls the seniority list. That is not the case. In order to arrive at a single list you have to get management to want to merge all the smaller airlines. There is a lot involved in all of that. Its going to take 3 more years to really sort out this merger and I can't see anything we can offer to convince management to want to take on multiple other mergers. We should also not try and get into the business of running the airline which is in effect what we are attempting to do.
What we should do is attempt to tighten current scope. Its not impossible to role back and improve what we have. We had nothing in the early eighties and managed to improve scope over several contracts. Scope has eroded like every section of the contract the last couple of contracts. That trend can change. Step one should be to roll scope back to 70 seats. At that point it becomes a management business choice on what they want to do. If they want to fly the E-175's with 76 seat they move them to the mainline. If not then they take out 6 seats or merge the airlines with Delta.
One thing I don't see is anyone willing to allow more then 76 seats at any outsourced carrier. Management had a lot of power the last 10 years on contracts between the courts and economic woes. They have lost their single biggest hammer over the pilot group at Delta which was retirement. With the retirement gone and the size of the pilot group there will be a large power shift back to the pilots. If Obama gets reelected and the dems control both houses we will for a change be in the drivers seat if economics have shown any recovery.
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