Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-05-2009, 07:25 AM
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I don't see how integrating the Compass pilots has really solved the scope capture issues brought up by 'Mesabah' either, unless the scope language is changed.
The Compass pilots' lot is clearly bettered here. Much more importantly IMO, the profession's lot is bettered here. But neither of those issues are gonna' get it to pass. If I'm a senior DL CA, I've got to ask myself - "how does this benefit the Delta pilots", and, perhaps even more importantly, "how does this benefit me"?
The resolution is a good start, certainly, but I just don't see it answering the most important question.
Last edited by Sniper; 02-05-2009 at 07:28 AM. Reason: 'Bucking Bar' removed his post and made it a PM. I eliminated his quote almost entirely respecting his choice
02-05-2009, 07:36 AM
#363
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Sniper - Thanks, sorry that you changed your post. I just thought my specific counsel to Junglebus might be better aimed just at him.
You are exactly right and I for one would have liked to read your entire post.
You are exactly right and I for one would have liked to read your entire post.
02-05-2009, 08:11 AM
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While this is a great suggestion for the resolution, it represents a broader issue. The 'original' DL pilot group has been very good about many issues, but scope is certainly not one of them. This may be the fault of leadership, or of a specific faction of the group, or the culture of the group - who knows? None the less, anyone supporting this resolution needs to do due diligence to root out the causes of scope continually being seen as an issue not worth spending bargaining power on, or this integration will not ever see the light of day. Unfortunately, the prejudice against RJ pilots is the elephant in the room here; Commair and the RJDC, DL's historic 'military' hiring practices . . . I see some 'anti-RJ pilot' talk even in this very thread. There has to be an open and honest dialogue about this, or the presumption that all RJ drivers are '200 hour wonder-pilots with no professionalism - just look @ their frosted tips' will never change. The 'double-breasted jacket and hat' is the way of DL, but there needs to be an understanding that you don't have to be this way to be a good aviator and quality addition to the Delta team. Look no further than Northwest - you think they like the double-breasted jacket?!
I don't see how integrating the Compass pilots has really solved the scope capture issues brought up by 'Mesabah' either, unless the scope language is changed.
The Compass pilots' lot is clearly bettered here. Much more importantly IMO, the profession's lot is bettered here. But neither of those issues are gonna' get it to pass. If I'm a senior DL CA, I've got to ask myself - "how does this benefit the Delta pilots", and, perhaps even more importantly, "how does this benefit me"?
The resolution is a good start, certainly, but I just don't see it answering the most important question.
I don't see how integrating the Compass pilots has really solved the scope capture issues brought up by 'Mesabah' either, unless the scope language is changed.
The Compass pilots' lot is clearly bettered here. Much more importantly IMO, the profession's lot is bettered here. But neither of those issues are gonna' get it to pass. If I'm a senior DL CA, I've got to ask myself - "how does this benefit the Delta pilots", and, perhaps even more importantly, "how does this benefit me"?
The resolution is a good start, certainly, but I just don't see it answering the most important question.
Hell yes, the NWA pilots like the double breasted look. They've been assimilated into the Borg machine now. We are all one consciousness.
I have posted previous posts but feel that Scope is like the Pacific theater in WWII. To win the war, you will have to battle island for island. The first island in this assault is the Compass group. If we win that we get a victory and some momentum. We can't do a full frontal assault on every carrier simultaneously. You are right about the attitude changes though. That will take time.
02-05-2009, 09:29 AM
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It's doubtfull that Delta management would accept the high expense of absorbing their owned regional carriers and converting the pilots to mainline payscales. Are they planning an eventual scope cut off at 99 ?
An interesting senerio:
Delta exercises NWA remaining CRJ options, purchases 36 or more CRJ1000s and assigns them to mainline flying.
The trade off.
The NEWCO concept ( http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ils-newco.html ) is reinvented and based in MSP. Mesaba CRJ900 and Compass operations are merged into NEWCO All 51 - 99 seat flying (Delta owned assets) assigned to NEWCO. Flow through (up/down) is established.
Below 51 seat flying conducted by Comair, Mesaba, Pinnacle or ASA.
I'll go crawl in my sandbag bunker now
An interesting senerio:
Delta exercises NWA remaining CRJ options, purchases 36 or more CRJ1000s and assigns them to mainline flying.
The trade off.
The NEWCO concept ( http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ils-newco.html ) is reinvented and based in MSP. Mesaba CRJ900 and Compass operations are merged into NEWCO All 51 - 99 seat flying (Delta owned assets) assigned to NEWCO. Flow through (up/down) is established.
Below 51 seat flying conducted by Comair, Mesaba, Pinnacle or ASA.
I'll go crawl in my sandbag bunker now
02-05-2009, 09:42 AM
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02-05-2009, 09:58 AM
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02-05-2009, 10:09 AM
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Does anyone know how much money might be wasted by having all of those regionals out there vs. bringing them into one group?
All of those CEO's and redundant managements types have to cost something... or is that cost off set by whipsawing everyone and keeping wages down?
All of those CEO's and redundant managements types have to cost something... or is that cost off set by whipsawing everyone and keeping wages down?
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