Delta Payscale For Crj900?
#351
#352
I hope it works out for you at Compass. I really do. Maybe you guys can pull this off and get the ball rolling. Heck at this point any movement is a good news.
#353
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Draft Resolution - Discuss
We, the united pilots of Delta Air Lines and Compass Airlines, do hereby declare:
Whereas:
We believe that scope is the very foundation of our Collective Bargaining Agreement and the key to the effectiveness of our Association. It is only under effective scope language that we can stand united for improvements in our compensation and working conditions. In the absence of strong scope, management is free to pit pilots against each other, forcing them to underbid one another for new flying.
Whereas:
We believe the continual erosion of scope over the last 15 years has been extremely destructive to our profession. We have seen mainline jobs shrink amid the explosive growth of contract feed operators. We have seen the emergence of a large group of a pilots who, although they fly under the Delta brand, do not work under our contract and often have inferior compensation and work rules. Moreover, the competitive and fragmented nature of the contract feed industry leaves these pilots without the means to better their lot. We recognize that the presence of a large virtual B-scale has serious implications for every Delta pilot.
Whereas:
We believe that continued outsourcing of lift has been detrimental to not only Delta pilots and our profession as a whole, but also to the health of Delta Air Lines. Too much emphasis has been placed on low cost, at the expense of offering a uniformly superior product to our customers. Other inefficiencies have been introduced, such as multiple layers of redundant management and support personnel, and the inability to right-size equipment to the market in real time.
Whereas:
We believe the current management team at Delta is sincere in their stated goal of transforming the new Delta into the world's premier global airline. We also trust this management team's willingness to work with this pilot group in finding unique solutions that have benefits for both parties.
Whereas:
The most recent round of outsourcing, pursued by previous management teams during the bankruptcy process, involved 76-seat E175s at Compass and Republic, and CRJ-900s at Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair, and ASA. We believe that outsourcing these airframes was a serious mistake that should be rectified whenever possible.
Whereas:
The Embraer 175, in particular, has the capacity, performance, and passenger comfort of a mainline aircraft; we believe it should be flown by mainline pilots. Northwest pilots were flying a very similar aircraft, the DC-9-10, at mainline only a few years ago.
Whereas:
Compass Airlines is a new entity created by NWA and wholly owned by Delta. Their pilots possess qualifications similar to NWA's former pilot requirements, and were hired through a process directed by NWA. The flowthrough agreement with flowback provisions effectively put Compass pilots on the bottom of Delta's seniority list without the advantages of an integration. This arrangement incurs significant costs for Delta due to additional training, redundant management, and the inability to quickly adjust staffing levels in response to market forces. Compass pilots all have a longevity of two years or less, and have expressed a willingness to agree to an equitable seniority list integration with the Delta pilot group.
Whereas:
We believe these factors represent a significant opportunity to rectify mistakes of the past and secure a better future for Delta Air Lines, our respective pilot groups, and our profession as a whole.
Therefore Let It Be Resolved:
The DALPA master executive council is hereby directed to investigate the feasibility of a seniority list integration between the pilots of Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and to strongly pursue such an integration if the investigation shows it to be beneficial to both pilot groups. To this end, the MEC shall also discuss with Delta management the mutual benefits of an operational integration of Compass into Delta. The MEC shall report the results of their investigation to the membership as soon as possible.
Let If Be Further Resolved:
It shall be the policy of the Delta MEC to make the maintenance of strong scope language their highest priority in negotiations of new contracts and the administration of current contracts. The MEC should furthermore seek to recapture currently outsourced flying in 50-76 seat aircraft whenever legal, operational, financial, and political circumstances permit.
Whereas:
We believe that scope is the very foundation of our Collective Bargaining Agreement and the key to the effectiveness of our Association. It is only under effective scope language that we can stand united for improvements in our compensation and working conditions. In the absence of strong scope, management is free to pit pilots against each other, forcing them to underbid one another for new flying.
Whereas:
We believe the continual erosion of scope over the last 15 years has been extremely destructive to our profession. We have seen mainline jobs shrink amid the explosive growth of contract feed operators. We have seen the emergence of a large group of a pilots who, although they fly under the Delta brand, do not work under our contract and often have inferior compensation and work rules. Moreover, the competitive and fragmented nature of the contract feed industry leaves these pilots without the means to better their lot. We recognize that the presence of a large virtual B-scale has serious implications for every Delta pilot.
Whereas:
We believe that continued outsourcing of lift has been detrimental to not only Delta pilots and our profession as a whole, but also to the health of Delta Air Lines. Too much emphasis has been placed on low cost, at the expense of offering a uniformly superior product to our customers. Other inefficiencies have been introduced, such as multiple layers of redundant management and support personnel, and the inability to right-size equipment to the market in real time.
Whereas:
We believe the current management team at Delta is sincere in their stated goal of transforming the new Delta into the world's premier global airline. We also trust this management team's willingness to work with this pilot group in finding unique solutions that have benefits for both parties.
Whereas:
The most recent round of outsourcing, pursued by previous management teams during the bankruptcy process, involved 76-seat E175s at Compass and Republic, and CRJ-900s at Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair, and ASA. We believe that outsourcing these airframes was a serious mistake that should be rectified whenever possible.
Whereas:
The Embraer 175, in particular, has the capacity, performance, and passenger comfort of a mainline aircraft; we believe it should be flown by mainline pilots. Northwest pilots were flying a very similar aircraft, the DC-9-10, at mainline only a few years ago.
Whereas:
Compass Airlines is a new entity created by NWA and wholly owned by Delta. Their pilots possess qualifications similar to NWA's former pilot requirements, and were hired through a process directed by NWA. The flowthrough agreement with flowback provisions effectively put Compass pilots on the bottom of Delta's seniority list without the advantages of an integration. This arrangement incurs significant costs for Delta due to additional training, redundant management, and the inability to quickly adjust staffing levels in response to market forces. Compass pilots all have a longevity of two years or less, and have expressed a willingness to agree to an equitable seniority list integration with the Delta pilot group.
Whereas:
We believe these factors represent a significant opportunity to rectify mistakes of the past and secure a better future for Delta Air Lines, our respective pilot groups, and our profession as a whole.
Therefore Let It Be Resolved:
The DALPA master executive council is hereby directed to investigate the feasibility of a seniority list integration between the pilots of Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and to strongly pursue such an integration if the investigation shows it to be beneficial to both pilot groups. To this end, the MEC shall also discuss with Delta management the mutual benefits of an operational integration of Compass into Delta. The MEC shall report the results of their investigation to the membership as soon as possible.
Let If Be Further Resolved:
It shall be the policy of the Delta MEC to make the maintenance of strong scope language their highest priority in negotiations of new contracts and the administration of current contracts. The MEC should furthermore seek to recapture currently outsourced flying in 50-76 seat aircraft whenever legal, operational, financial, and political circumstances permit.
#354
We, the united pilots of Delta Air Lines and Compass Airlines, do hereby declare:
Therefore Let It Be Resolved:
The DALPA master executive council is hereby directed to investigate the feasibility of a seniority list integration between the pilots of Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and to strongly pursue such an integration if the investigation shows it to be beneficial to both pilot groups. To this end, the MEC shall also discuss with Delta management the mutual benefits of an operational integration of Compass into Delta. The MEC shall report the results of their investigation to the membership as soon as possible.
Let If Be Further Resolved:
It shall be the policy of the Delta MEC to make the maintenance of strong scope language their highest priority in negotiations of new contracts and the administration of current contracts. The MEC should furthermore seek to recapture currently outsourced flying in 50-76 seat aircraft whenever legal, operational, financial, and political circumstances permit.
Therefore Let It Be Resolved:
The DALPA master executive council is hereby directed to investigate the feasibility of a seniority list integration between the pilots of Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and to strongly pursue such an integration if the investigation shows it to be beneficial to both pilot groups. To this end, the MEC shall also discuss with Delta management the mutual benefits of an operational integration of Compass into Delta. The MEC shall report the results of their investigation to the membership as soon as possible.
Let If Be Further Resolved:
It shall be the policy of the Delta MEC to make the maintenance of strong scope language their highest priority in negotiations of new contracts and the administration of current contracts. The MEC should furthermore seek to recapture currently outsourced flying in 50-76 seat aircraft whenever legal, operational, financial, and political circumstances permit.
#355
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You are unfortunately entirely correct that this flying was allowed to be outsourced. It is also important to understand it was not "given away" -this is still DAL flying even if it is being contracted out to DCI. If I have been mowing by lawn for years and decide to have a lawn service do it, it's still my lawn and I can decide to do it myself again - the lawn service has no claim to my lawn other than the duration of any service contract entered into.
But that's just it, CPZ, XJ, OH, are a subsidiary of Delta as is Delta Airlines and Northwest airlines. The mothership owns the flying, but you don't really own the mothership either, we all are parts of the shell game. Look at the new SEC filings, CPZ, XJ, and OH, are listed under MAINLINE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.
Not trying to sound callous - I want to see it brought back in house, and the bodies that come with the airplanes added to the list. I'm skeptical of it happening at all, let alone capturing all DCI 76 seat flying.
There is no scope recapture, DAL is violating t6he current contract with too many 76 seat RJ's. DALPA has not grieved it yet. I was speculating on why they haven't........Perhaps DALPA is negotiating a pay raise to allow delta to operate more RJ's?????
I think it is probably counter productive to the goal of bringing it back that everyone who fly's a 76 seater starts beating their chest over demands, and what "must" happen IRT SLI. The CPZ piece might be doable, and then it would eventually expand to other DCI carriers.
No one is demanding anything...I was implying that...what's the point to being stapled if there is someone below you willing to do it cheaper
It was not outsourced overnight, and neither will it be recaptured overnight.
I think the single biggest detractor to this ever getting off the ground would be anything that dredges up memories of RJDC.
New, pilots coming onto the DAL list have to serve a probationary period of one year. The RJDC guys would likely be fired during that time....it's a win win situation.
But that's just it, CPZ, XJ, OH, are a subsidiary of Delta as is Delta Airlines and Northwest airlines. The mothership owns the flying, but you don't really own the mothership either, we all are parts of the shell game. Look at the new SEC filings, CPZ, XJ, and OH, are listed under MAINLINE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.
Not trying to sound callous - I want to see it brought back in house, and the bodies that come with the airplanes added to the list. I'm skeptical of it happening at all, let alone capturing all DCI 76 seat flying.
There is no scope recapture, DAL is violating t6he current contract with too many 76 seat RJ's. DALPA has not grieved it yet. I was speculating on why they haven't........Perhaps DALPA is negotiating a pay raise to allow delta to operate more RJ's?????
I think it is probably counter productive to the goal of bringing it back that everyone who fly's a 76 seater starts beating their chest over demands, and what "must" happen IRT SLI. The CPZ piece might be doable, and then it would eventually expand to other DCI carriers.
No one is demanding anything...I was implying that...what's the point to being stapled if there is someone below you willing to do it cheaper
It was not outsourced overnight, and neither will it be recaptured overnight.
I think the single biggest detractor to this ever getting off the ground would be anything that dredges up memories of RJDC.
New, pilots coming onto the DAL list have to serve a probationary period of one year. The RJDC guys would likely be fired during that time....it's a win win situation.
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#357
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I'd like this to be a joint DL-CPS effort. Senior NW/DL pilots are more likely to take this seriously if their peers are pushing this as hard as "the regional pilots." Whenever this goes to a meeting, we should make an effort to have a bunch of us there.
#358
Not sure who would push this on the FD LEC's. I'm guessing you know who the "friendlies" are on C1 and C20? If not PM and I'll get you email addresses.
#360
Agreed. I think you will find a lot of support from the guys hired in the last 12 years for this as we have been most affected by this.
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