Mesabah

I would like to point out that those mainline qualifications were for the Compass street captains. I doubt they could list XJ or comair pilot mins for street captains.........600 TT, 50 ME, 19 years old......I don't think so. The compass pilots were interviewed and evaluted by personal of MCH inc, in the mesaba airlines training center, not NATCO. When I was in 900 training we would hang out with the compass FA's because they were in the next room over. The compass pilots were across the hall.

DAL4EVER

Seeing as nearly 60% of pre-merger domestic traffic was on an RJ, I'd say there have been a lot of crumbs thrown to you. And your quote would be equally or perhaps more appropo to the RJDC members than mainline pilots.

matlok

My CP interview was given by three people: one lady from Compass HR, and two NWA pilots.

Also, if a Compass pilot was to flow up, there would be no further interview; the CP interview WAS his NWA interview. Regardless of the normal "standards" or pilot/HR rhetoric, NWA agreed to this, as did DL when they agreed to preserve the same flow arrangements as NWA had.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong to do so, just that it's far from a "rumor".

Eric Stratton

How sad is this... and to think you guys didn't even reel in some scope when you had the opportunity a few months back.

I would agree that a lot of crumbs have been thrown to the regionals, too bad that you couldn't have kept the piece of bread at mainline for them to eat one day rather then break it up.

JungleBus

I'd expect such rhetoric from a DL HR rep...gotta protect your own turf! I suspect they'd also believe NWA pilots do not meet DAL standards. After all, those NW guys never had to prove they weren't crazy to a shrink!

JungleBus

My sense is that we have a pretty good consensus here - among the mainline and CPS guys, anyways - that a resolution directing the MEC to investigate stapling CPS is something worth pursuing. BuckingBar's draft was a good start, I'm working on a resolution that builds on it. I'll post it soon and hope everyone can give some further input. In the meantime, any thoughts on strategy? Seems to me this should be introduced at least at every LEC that jointly represents DL & CPS pilots, if not every single LEC, to have the greatest impact on the MEC. We'll need to coordinate people to introduce the resolution - one DL & one CPS guy doing it jointly was a good idea, whoever posted that - and organize groups to go to the meetings to support it.

Fly4hire

You are unfortunately entirely correct that this flying was allowed to be outsourced. It is also important to understand it was not "given away" -this is still DAL flying even if it is being contracted out to DCI. If I have been mowing by lawn for years and decide to have a lawn service do it, it's still my lawn and I can decide to do it myself again - the lawn service has no claim to my lawn other than the duration of any service contract entered into.

Not trying to sound callous - I want to see it brought back in house, and the bodies that come with the airplanes added to the list. I'm skeptical of it happening at all, let alone capturing all DCI 76 seat flying.

I think it is probably counter productive to the goal of bringing it back that everyone who fly's a 76 seater starts beating their chest over demands, and what "must" happen IRT SLI. The CPZ piece might be doable, and then it would eventually expand to other DCI carriers.

It was not outsourced overnight, and neither will it be recaptured overnight.

I think the single biggest detractor to this ever getting off the ground would be anything that dredges up memories of RJDC.

Dougdrvr

That's about the dumbest analogy I've ever heard, you're cutting the grass alright but it's in a National Forest

Bucking Bar

Fly4Hire... excellent example of outsourcing the yard service. The problem is ALPA represents both you and the lawn boy.

To get flying back it is going to have to be by mutual agreement. This is a whole lot easier with Compass since their pilots are represented through their local base's LEC to the Delta MEC. They can put a resolution forward in their base LEC as a co-sponsor with Delta pilots if they wish.

Just addition to your thought ... if Compass serves as a good example, others may wish to follow. But there are objections on the Mesaba and Comair ends of things. Probably best to focus on the CPZ part first and not to mention any former "one list" pushes that ended in political disasters.

DAL4EVER

Compass is the first and most logical battle. If we aren't victorious with them no other fight will matter as it we probably wouldn't succeed there. The major benefit is that they are so closely integrated as a pilot group to DAL anyways. Much more so than anyone else.