Jake Wheeler

Such an interesting, but expected response. Thanks Denny. I didn't expect such quick confirmation of my supposition. Very inspiring.

One small correction to my previous statement. It shouldn't have been such a blanket statement about mainline pilots. A more accurate statement would be "Anyone holding out hope for equal treatment, cooperation or respect from mainline pilot unions are dreaming. Their union leadership will toss crumbs at you then say "Help us now and we'll pay you back later" but later never comes."

Ftrooppilot

Dumb Idea - but maybe the seeds of a good one.

Staple Compass and Mesaba with a two year fence between them. Assign seniority numbers based on rank order (highest to lowest) of the formula Total Flight Time Over 12,500 lbs + Number of Days employed by Mesaba or Compass.

Mesabah

What about the other airlines? I would vote no to any staple job that didn't contain scope recapture. Most mesaba pilots have played this game before. I will not be stapled to a list just to be used as leverage in the next CBA.

Boomer

Are you leaving out Comair for a reason? They are also wholly-owned.

And Pinnacle's only mainline partner is Delta.

Fly4hire

The talk here about what will be accepted or not, who must do this or that, who must be included, etc. is a joke. You guys are contracted lift. It's not your flying or your airplanes to bargain with.

You and any other DCI pilot will have no say in the matter. You will not be voting on anything, deciding to accept or not accept anything - other than to vote with your feet.

Chances are if anything happens (which is questionable), even the DAL rank and file will not be voting - it will be MEC ratified by DALPA.

Get over it. Not mainline pilot arrogance - simple fact.

NuGuy

Heyas,

As I said, you shouldn't be a hater just because the CPZ guys are in the right place at the right time, if this thing happens at all.

If DALPA can capture the 70 seat flying, and bring some pilots along with it, then I'm good with that. Heck, I'd even rally around it. I think it's worth a significant bit to get that flying on the property. But the CPZ pilots DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE FLOW AGREEMENT, have already pre-paid the freight for the largess that may come their way.

Can XJ say the same? OH?

But make no mistake, both NWALPA and DALPA have been down this road before, and a few hardcore individuals so poisoned the well, I'd be surprised that the new DALPA would be willing to work with the same groups again.

As F4H said: You ain't an airline, you're hired lift. Flying comes and goes.

Nu

Mesabah

You're absolutely right, we don't have a say in what happens. However, legally it isn't your flying either, it was given away by mainline arrogance.

Mesabah

The RJDC was and is a complete disgrace to this profession, I will give you that.....

80ktsClamp

CPZ pilots were basically hired by NWA...interviewed at NATCO and such.

They are basically Diet NWA, while XJ and OH are wholly owned, but their interviewing and hiring had nothing to do with major airline qualifications.


I'm all for stapling all regional guys.... CPZ, XJ, OH (this is the most unlikely due to the animosity created by the seniors there), and, in my opinion, 9E, and appropriate amounts of the other airlines' pilots (e.g. x% of Shuttletauqua). There would absolutely need to be a filter of the guys stapled...some sort of a simple interview process or something.

Lighteningspeed

This is a major misconception. I don't know who started this rumor but at one of the pilot job conference DAL HR rep indicated in no uncertain terms that CZ hiring stds does not meet DAL stds nor that of NWA since Compass pilots were not hired by NWA pilots.

You don't seem to know that many Mesaba management team members came down from NWA and thay have been overseeing Mesaba pilot hiring and training. In fact Mesaba manager of Training and now Safety Stds came straight down from NWA pilot training dept. Pinnacle pilot hiring was also attended by NWA pilots, at least in 2007.

All this discussion about stapling is an exercise in futility because it will not happen without the DAL top management blessing and they have to be convinced it would be in their economic interest. Several very senior NWA CAs have said they tried to staple Mesaba pilot under the NWA mainline seniority list but that was rejected by majority of NWA pilots and NWA management.

You are right about the senior pilots at XJ and Comair creating the animosity by demanding DOH merge. I'll give you that, but do a little research before repeating unsubstantiated rumor as if they are facts.
I do agree with you I am also all for stapling Mesaba, Compass and Comair pilots with filtering mechanism in place but I don't see that happening in any near future.