Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-03-2009, 04:14 PM
#291
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The conversation was friendly until it was mentioned that I don't deserve to be stapled because the airplane I fly doesn't have adaquet overhead bin space. In fact NuGuy wanted the 76 CRJ operators shut down and the E-Jet guys given mainline seniority. I took offense to that.
02-03-2009, 04:20 PM
#292
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DAL, I think this statement is how we got in this mess in the first place. If DCI had a jet with 76 seats and the range to go coast to coast, don't you think that they would use it on that route? The new RJs will do just that. Scope should be any ticket sold as a Delta ticket should be flown by a Delta pilot on a Delta jet. I am afraid that genie is out of the bottle so we should limit leg segment. Any leg over 1 hour or 150 miles should be mainline.
ACL pointed out that flying belongs to mainline. He's right as long as it has a Delta code. If Skywest/Mesaba/Mesa/et al want flying, let them fly under thier own brand and their own routes. We must recapture our brand because it is being destroyed by DCI. Before all the regional guys get thier dander up, honestly answer this question. If two companies fly the same route at the same time, one in a CRJ and one in a MD/73/320, which one will people choose?
Bringing Compass onto our list and under our certificate is the first step to recapturing our brand.
ACL pointed out that flying belongs to mainline. He's right as long as it has a Delta code. If Skywest/Mesaba/Mesa/et al want flying, let them fly under thier own brand and their own routes. We must recapture our brand because it is being destroyed by DCI. Before all the regional guys get thier dander up, honestly answer this question. If two companies fly the same route at the same time, one in a CRJ and one in a MD/73/320, which one will people choose?
Bringing Compass onto our list and under our certificate is the first step to recapturing our brand.
02-03-2009, 04:28 PM
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I don't think that was the point. I think you should have a staple proportional to the seats brought to the mainline. If DAL does not want CRJ900's - no seats - if they do include them I'm all for the number of seats they represent, which would not include Saabs seats. It's up to DAL Inc if they decide to bring any of these acft to the mainline, and then for DALPA to sort out the SL.
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02-03-2009, 05:01 PM
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The ones at mainline don't count. 255 is the max number of outsourced flying. By moving the E-jets to mainline it allows them to replace them with 900's which delta is borderline over the limit. You are adding more mainline jets which is a good thing, however, it is not a scope recapture as is being said.
02-03-2009, 05:18 PM
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DAL, I think this statement is how we got in this mess in the first place. If DCI had a jet with 76 seats and the range to go coast to coast, don't you think that they would use it on that route? The new RJs will do just that. Scope should be any ticket sold as a Delta ticket should be flown by a Delta pilot on a Delta jet. I am afraid that genie is out of the bottle so we should limit leg segment. Any leg over 1 hour or 150 miles should be mainline.
ACL pointed out that flying belongs to mainline. He's right as long as it has a Delta code. If Skywest/Mesaba/Mesa/et al want flying, let them fly under thier own brand and their own routes. We must recapture our brand because it is being destroyed by DCI. Before all the regional guys get thier dander up, honestly answer this question. If two companies fly the same route at the same time, one in a CRJ and one in a MD/73/320, which one will people choose?
Bringing Compass onto our list and under our certificate is the first step to recapturing our brand.
ACL pointed out that flying belongs to mainline. He's right as long as it has a Delta code. If Skywest/Mesaba/Mesa/et al want flying, let them fly under thier own brand and their own routes. We must recapture our brand because it is being destroyed by DCI. Before all the regional guys get thier dander up, honestly answer this question. If two companies fly the same route at the same time, one in a CRJ and one in a MD/73/320, which one will people choose?
Bringing Compass onto our list and under our certificate is the first step to recapturing our brand.
I disagree that they would go with a 70 seater coast to coast. The cost per seat mile would be to prohibitive. Not to say that wouldn't be a threat however. I do agree that the fight needs to begin somewhere and I feel the battle should begin with Compass. We can fight subsequent battles but if we aren't victorious with Compass, the subsequent battles will be a moot point.
02-03-2009, 05:23 PM
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yes, the contract. Read it, then call ALPA and ask them questions. I asked this very question of one of the ATL LEC reps. The company can add three 76 seat RJs for every one mainline plane that is added. If the number of mainline aircraft subsequently decreases, the company does not have to get rid of any 76 seat RJs, they just can't add any more until they are above the old number of mainline aircraft.
This is one of the reasons I voted no when we first got this scope and I voted no again to the JCBA.
This is one of the reasons I voted no when we first got this scope and I voted no again to the JCBA.
02-03-2009, 05:28 PM
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The ones at mainline don't count. 255 is the max number of outsourced flying. By moving the E-jets to mainline it allows them to replace them with 900's which delta is borderline over the limit. You are adding more mainline jets which is a good thing, however, it is not a scope recapture as is being said.
02-03-2009, 05:33 PM
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The way I read it there is a cap on 76 seaters as well. Don't have the number in front of me but isn't the 255 total for 70 and 76 seats with a max of 120 76 seaters? That cap has't been reached yet.
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