acl65pilot

It does not matter he has a voice and is empowered to use it.

Fact is that many of these "regional pukes" are educating the Captains they fly with. Most senior folks here had no idea what was at stake. Once one of these people laid it out for them, their view point changed quite quickly.

As an add on, if you are not careful the top end of our careers will be farmed out too.

Justdoinmyjob

Since 01/2001. How long you been with Delta? I think it's safe to say I have a little better understanding of the line pilot's view here.

Never said the "whole." What has changed is the majority and that majority IS concerned with recapturing all the flying that was allowed to be scoped out by the older group of pilots.

They may ask for concessions. Doesn't mean they will be given. If that is your attitude, do you even support asking for pay raises when contract time comes around? For surely management will want concessions for that too. As a former Rep as you claim to be, I would expect better.

John Pennekamp

OK, let's go ask Lee Moak (who actually IS empowered to speak for the pilot group) if he agrees with you? Anyone want to take bets on whether he'll tell us Delta is ready to assimilate Compass or not? I'll put my money on NOT!

You said "You'd be suprised by the number of line pilots who are for it." No, I probably wouldn't be. I know Delta has been hiring a lot of regional pilots, but that still doesn't make a majority. and even if it does, the MEC will still do what THEY think is right.

Claim to be? I make no secret my my identity. I was the ATL FO rep for 3 years. Before that I was a grievance committee member for 2 years. I have been representing ASA pilots for 5 of my last 8 years at ASA. Try another cheap shot, since you seem to have more of those than useful facts to debate with. Yes, I have lots of experience in ALPA and with the Delta ALPA leadership. Do you?

Now getting back to the point, my money is on the Delta pilot group NOT being willing to take a concession to assimilate Compass, regardless of how many pilots you claim are in favor of it. Everything else you are arguing is fluff.

acl65pilot

The thing is that it is our MEC's belief that the company will come to them and ask for the CPZ list to be merged. It makes sense based on money, and cost to the company. They know it, we know it, it just depends on if we need to furlough.

John Pennekamp

Are you quoting Moak? Did this go out in a memo you can document, or did you discuss it with him personally?

And you claim to have a line to DAL management. What is management saying about this?

Fly4hire

Why is it necessarily a concession? The quid pro quo is we lock in 76 seat plus flying making it much more difficult to give away in the future, and for DAL it makes it easier to furlough.

acl65pilot

It was stated to me by our LEC reps in the crew lounge in a face to face talk. I have also been told it from other persons of interest in the first person. (Ala face to face) I questioned it, but after seeing their line of thinking I can see where they are coming from.

John Pennekamp

Sounds like more scope. How has that worked out in the past? I see no advantage for management to merge the two and give up the powerful whipsaw CPZ represents.

Justdoinmyjob

I was part of the CASC with ASA from 1996-2001. I still keep my ALPA accident investigator creds up to date. I regularly attend LEC and MEC meetings and talk with my reps. I did the same thing while at ASA. While furloughed I worked for an ALPA carrier in crew resources and constantly stopped my boss from violating the contract before the pilot's were even aware of the impending bad management idea.

I currently have a house of very young kids and a spouse that works full time, so am unable to undertake any more volunteer work at this time. When the kids are older, I plan on re-engaging more fully.

You really do seem to have an axe to grind. Some of your statements are down right negative. While you are entitled to your opinion of the Delta pilot group and your understanding of LMs relationship to said group, being a little closer the the fire than you, my opinion is that your opinion is wrong. And there's nothing wrong with that.

John Pennekamp

That's interesting, but as a former LEC rep, I can tell you that LEC reps say lots of things that pilots want to hear, but not grounded in fact.

And again, you seem to "know someone" in management. What is management saying about all of this?