Originally Posted by DAL4EVER

I think scope should be all flying above a certain seat. It's about protecting block hours which translate into positions. The change happened in the 70s and early 80s when the last of the majors got rid of their Convairs and Electras. I remember flying DAL 727s from Evansville, IN to O'hare as late as 1981. Now, it is done with an RJ. The 727 went on an old CAB route from ORD-EVV-BNA-ATL. Along the way they filled the jet up. Regionals in those days flew Metroliners and Beech 99s. When DAL stopped flying those routes and transitioned to the Hub and Spoke system, companies like Comair came in with Saab 340s and Brasilias to fill the void.

With the backlash on turboprops in the mid 90s, the RJ exploded. The rest is history. It was never intended to be a mainline replacement and mainline pilots did not accurately predict the future with it. Ever wonder why a CRJ200 doesn't climb well past the mid 20s? Its because it was supposed to replace props on flights under 300 miles so it was never going to be flying 2-3 hour missions where altitude counts.

Any pilot who doesn't care is incredibly myopic as they're to stupid to realize what's at stake. All of us who've come of age in the airline industry in the past 15 years get it. We've either been a part of the outsourcing (I'm a former regional pilot) or we've been outsourced (I was furloughed from '01-'06). We know what's at stake.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

No, you are not recapturing scope, management is exploiting the contract. If you staple the compass pilots, delta can exercise it's 96 options on CRJ900's. Management isn't buying any more E-jets, they are too expensive vs the CRJ900. The Compass resolution doesn't say anything about scope recapture, it's just a mainline seniority grab. Mesa is doing the same thing with their National Seniority List push. If you ask me, the compass pilots are worried they might get a furlough in the future. A risk they knowingly and willingly signed up for. If Delta furloughs any pilots back to Mesaba, I lose my captains seat, a risk I didn't sign up for. However, if I can't get anything out of the deal and compass pilots get mainlien seniority, I guess taking on 100 more CRJ900's will somewhat protect where I sit.

Originally Posted by Xray678

it does not have to be a new delivery or a new airplane. Delta could add a used 777, a used 757, or a used 175. It just has to be an additional airplane.

The really sad thing is there is no mechanism to get rid of RJs once they are on property. So if Delta adds 20 new mainline airplanes, and then adds 60 new RJs, there is nothing say they have to get rid of the RJs if they start to get rid of mainline airplanes.

Delta could add Compass to the mainline fleet, get the number of 76 seat RJs increased, and then put Compass right back down the wholly owned status and not have to get rid of any of the new RJs.

Originally Posted by satchip

DAL, I think this statement is how we got in this mess in the first place. If DCI had a jet with 76 seats and the range to go coast to coast, don't you think that they would use it on that route? The new RJs will do just that. Scope should be any ticket sold as a Delta ticket should be flown by a Delta pilot on a Delta jet. I am afraid that genie is out of the bottle so we should limit leg segment. Any leg over 1 hour or 150 miles should be mainline.

ACL pointed out that flying belongs to mainline. He's right as long as it has a Delta code. If Skywest/Mesaba/Mesa/et al want flying, let them fly under thier own brand and their own routes. We must recapture our brand because it is being destroyed by DCI. Before all the regional guys get thier dander up, honestly answer this question. If two companies fly the same route at the same time, one in a CRJ and one in a MD/73/320, which one will people choose?

Bringing Compass onto our list and under our certificate is the first step to recapturing our brand.

Originally Posted by Xray678

it does not have to be a new delivery or a new airplane. Delta could add a used 777, a used 757, or a used 175. It just has to be an additional airplane.

The really sad thing is there is no mechanism to get rid of RJs once they are on property. So if Delta adds 20 new mainline airplanes, and then adds 60 new RJs, there is nothing say they have to get rid of the RJs if they start to get rid of mainline airplanes.

Delta could add Compass to the mainline fleet, get the number of 76 seat RJs increased, and then put Compass right back down the wholly owned status and not have to get rid of any of the new RJs.

Originally Posted by DAL4EVER

I don't know how Compass's FOTM is approved, but perhaps they are allowed to PIC Type everyone and thereby when a pilot upgrades to Captain he only needs to perform Captain OE. If so, that is a tremendous expense saved as compared to going through another full type rating course. It depends on the POI as to what they can do however.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Can you please post your source? Thanks

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

There is still a limit on the total 76 seaters and 70 seaters.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

Finally don't act like a victim because of the flow agreement, you knew about it and it's implimintation when it was being set up. Honestly you're starting to sound like you're complaining because the compass pilots might get "more" *insert quivering lip here*

Originally Posted by Xray678

The company can add three 76 seat RJs for every one mainline plane that is added. If the number of mainline aircraft subsequently decreases, the company does not have to get rid of any 76 seat RJs, they just can't add any more until they are above the old number of mainline aircraft.

This is one of the reasons I voted no when we first got this scope and I voted no again to the JCBA.