Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-03-2009, 01:36 PM
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That's a great start, BB. Any one else have any input on wording?
Whereas:
1. Compass Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, Inc., with a unique bilateral flow through agreement which places Compass Pilots on the Delta seniority list and provides job protection provisions for Delta pilots to displace to the Compass seniority list, and
2. This flow through agreement places pilots in current seniority order, with the most senior Compass pilot flowing to the most junior Delta pilot position and inversely the most junior Delta pilot position displacing to the most senior Compass pilot position, and
3. Compass Airlines operates a limited number of the largest aircraft permitted under Delta’s Pilot Working Agreement, and
4. These aircraft are specifically acquired to perform mainline replacement flying, and
5. Current contract provisions provide for concurrent seniority at Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and
6. Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines are both represented by the Air Line Pilots Association and share a common Master Executive Counsel structure, and
7. Economic conditions lead to a reasonable belief that flow up and flow down provisions are likely to be exercised at a considerable cost to Delta Air Lines, and
8. All involved parties have a common interest in ensuring the highest quality pilots provide Delta Air Lines service, and
9. The number and quality of Delta Air Lines jobs would be increased, and
10. Minimal contract changes would be required to bring the Compass pilots on a single seniority list.
Therefore Be it Resolved:
That the Delta Air Lines Master Executive Counsel be directed to investigate and evaluate the economic and professional outcomes and consequences of a single list with the pilots of Compass Airlines, further
That the Delta MEC communicate the findings of its evaluation to the membership.
That if sufficient economic and professional justification exists, the Delta Master Executive Counsel promote the negotiation of a single seniority list and negotiate appropriate agreements to accomplish the goal of returning flying to Delta pilots through the creation of a single seniority list and strengthened scope provisions.
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Just pulled that out of the air. It is open ended, so the MEC can take a look and kill it with political cover. If they feel in any way threatened, they will kill it on principle.
Resolution in Support of the Analysis and Consideration of a Single Seniority List with the Pilots of Compass Airlines
Whereas:
1. Compass Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, Inc., with a unique bilateral flow through agreement which places Compass Pilots on the Delta seniority list and provides job protection provisions for Delta pilots to displace to the Compass seniority list, and
2. This flow through agreement places pilots in current seniority order, with the most senior Compass pilot flowing to the most junior Delta pilot position and inversely the most junior Delta pilot position displacing to the most senior Compass pilot position, and
3. Compass Airlines operates a limited number of the largest aircraft permitted under Delta’s Pilot Working Agreement, and
4. These aircraft are specifically acquired to perform mainline replacement flying, and
5. Current contract provisions provide for concurrent seniority at Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines, and
6. Compass Airlines and Delta Air Lines are both represented by the Air Line Pilots Association and share a common Master Executive Counsel structure, and
7. Economic conditions lead to a reasonable belief that flow up and flow down provisions are likely to be exercised at a considerable cost to Delta Air Lines, and
8. All involved parties have a common interest in ensuring the highest quality pilots provide Delta Air Lines service, and
9. The number and quality of Delta Air Lines jobs would be increased, and
10. Minimal contract changes would be required to bring the Compass pilots on a single seniority list.
Therefore Be it Resolved:
That the Delta Air Lines Master Executive Counsel be directed to investigate and evaluate the economic and professional outcomes and consequences of a single list with the pilots of Compass Airlines, further
That the Delta MEC communicate the findings of its evaluation to the membership.
That if sufficient economic and professional justification exists, the Delta Master Executive Counsel promote the negotiation of a single seniority list and negotiate appropriate agreements to accomplish the goal of returning flying to Delta pilots through the creation of a single seniority list and strengthened scope provisions.
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Just pulled that out of the air. It is open ended, so the MEC can take a look and kill it with political cover. If they feel in any way threatened, they will kill it on principle.
02-03-2009, 01:39 PM
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) I also think you will have to change a lot of people perceptions to make it happen.I would love for them to say "you guys are the type that we are looking for to best fit in with our model." That's at least honest vs the "you're the best of the best' bs.
02-03-2009, 01:44 PM
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02-03-2009, 01:47 PM
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Yes. ExpressJet, Comair, air whiskey, and republic came to our aid. There are former mesaba pilots working at compass right now. They were hired as part of the normal hiring process.
02-03-2009, 01:48 PM
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No, you are not recapturing scope, management is exploiting the contract. If you staple the compass pilots, delta can exercise it's 96 options on CRJ900's. Management isn't buying any more E-jets, they are too expensive vs the CRJ900. The Compass resolution doesn't say anything about scope recapture, it's just a mainline seniority grab. Mesa is doing the same thing with their National Seniority List push. If you ask me, the compass pilots are worried they might get a furlough in the future. A risk they knowingly and willingly signed up for. If Delta furloughs any pilots back to Mesaba, I lose my captains seat, a risk I didn't sign up for. However, if I can't get anything out of the deal and compass pilots get mainlien seniority, I guess taking on 100 more CRJ900's will somewhat protect where I sit.
Are you saying that if the 175's go to delta they can then option more 900's? The 1:3 ratio or something like that.
I'm assuming you are in the bottom 13 of captains and that is how you would lose you captain slot during a flow back? If that's the case I have to ask would you currently be a captain if those 13 mesaba pilots hadn't left?
02-03-2009, 01:51 PM
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A couple things.
Are you saying that if the 175's go to delta they can then option more 900's? The 1:3 ratio or something like that.
I'm assuming you are in the bottom 13 of captains and that is how you would lose you captain slot during a flow back? If that's the case I have to ask would you currently be a captain if those 13 mesaba pilots hadn't left?
Are you saying that if the 175's go to delta they can then option more 900's? The 1:3 ratio or something like that.
I'm assuming you are in the bottom 13 of captains and that is how you would lose you captain slot during a flow back? If that's the case I have to ask would you currently be a captain if those 13 mesaba pilots hadn't left?
02-03-2009, 02:20 PM
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The DC9 does much better then the CRJ200 in the mid 20's. It may start to peter out around FL280, but it does just fine. Now if it has -11 engines you can just plan on cruising in the 20s cause those engines STINK!!!
02-03-2009, 03:02 PM
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There's a cap on the 76 seaters. Compass planes would NOT be new deliveries, therefore the RJ option could NOT be exercised. Ill check the language.
02-03-2009, 03:14 PM
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The really sad thing is there is no mechanism to get rid of RJs once they are on property. So if Delta adds 20 new mainline airplanes, and then adds 60 new RJs, there is nothing say they have to get rid of the RJs if they start to get rid of mainline airplanes.
Delta could add Compass to the mainline fleet, get the number of 76 seat RJs increased, and then put Compass right back down the wholly owned status and not have to get rid of any of the new RJs.
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