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Old 02-01-2009, 06:41 AM
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Only 13 can go to Mesaba because that is the number that had flowed up already.
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What we (mainline and Compass pilots) need to be working on, is getting Compass folded into mainline.
How can we get the MEC to work on this is the question. It just seems that it is not even an issue with them and only gets thrown around this board. My reps tell me it will never happen, it's not a priority, and that if we furlough, we now have a flowback. Well, a flowback is great if you want to work for a regional again, but I want to work for Delta and work under the Delta contract.
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How can we get the MEC to work on this is the question. It just seems that it is not even an issue with them and only gets thrown around this board. My reps tell me it will never happen, it's not a priority, and that if we furlough, we now have a flowback. Well, a flowback is great if you want to work for a regional again, but I want to work for Delta and work under the Delta contract.
Not only that, but you'd have people waiting to get to Compass for a year in some cases. They wouldn't be able to train 340 pilots and dump 'em into IOE 90 days after the furlough. They'd either have to wait at Delta or wait at Compass or wait and be unemployed or something but in either of the three cases it's not instantaneous.

It would not be an issue if the E-175 fleet was incorporated into the mainline fleet. Even if their current payrates remained, it is a step in the right direction. Having them there with bad pay rates is still better than not having them there at all. Later on things can be negotiated.
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
How can we get the MEC to work on this is the question. It just seems that it is not even an issue with them and only gets thrown around this board. My reps tell me it will never happen, it's not a priority, and that if we furlough, we now have a flowback. Well, a flowback is great if you want to work for a regional again, but I want to work for Delta and work under the Delta contract.
The Delta MEC win NEVER EVER allow the "unclean" a seat at the master's table. Those regional pukes have not paid their dues. If you want to be a Delta Pilot "pay your dues and apply".
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
How can we get the MEC to work on this is the question. It just seems that it is not even an issue with them and only gets thrown around this board. My reps tell me it will never happen, it's not a priority, and that if we furlough, we now have a flowback. Well, a flowback is great if you want to work for a regional again, but I want to work for Delta and work under the Delta contract.
It's very easy to get the MEC to work on it. Tell you reps what you want them to do. They work for you. Introduce a resolution at your LEC. If every LEC is forced to pass a resolution by the membership to direct the MEC to pursue it, than it would be a priority.
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:12 AM
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The Delta MEC win NEVER EVER allow the "unclean" a seat at the master's table. Those regional pukes have not paid their dues. If you want to be a Delta Pilot "pay your dues and apply".
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about do you? The Compass pilots already are represented at the table. You'd be suprised by the number of line pilots who are for it. Prior to 2005, I'd most likely agree with you, but the pilot dempgraphic has changed since that time. Although I do understand that you have a huge chip on your shoulder.
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
It's very easy to get the MEC to work on it. Tell you reps what you want them to do. They work for you. Introduce a resolution at your LEC. If every LEC is forced to pass a resolution by the membership to direct the MEC to pursue it, than it would be a priority.
True. And ALPA's Constitution & Bylaws states that an LEC cannot "mandate" an MEC. In other words, pilots can push a resolution through the LEC, then it goes to the MEC and the MEC has every right to take no action on it. Sure you can recall the MEC members if they don't act on what a majority of the pilots want, but do you really think that assimilating a bunch of low time "commuter" pilots is a priority for the Delta Pilot Group. I'll help you... it isn't.

Clearly YOU don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:16 AM
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but do you really think that assimilating a bunch of low time "commuter" pilots is a priority for the Delta Pilot Group. I'll help you... it isn't.
Let me help you, as a line pilot and ex ASA regional pilot, this is actually a priority for the line pilots. But thanks for telling us how we think.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about do you? The Compass pilots already are represented at the table. You'd be suprised by the number of line pilots who are for it. Prior to 2005, I'd most likely agree with you, but the pilot dempgraphic has changed since that time. Although I do understand that you have a huge chip on your shoulder.
Really? And how many years have you worked for Delta?

So you're telling me that NOW the "dempgraphic " has changed that the Delta Pilot Group as a whole is more worried about assimilating Compass than making contract gains for themselves? They will take a contract concession (which management will surely ask for) to get them aboard? Are you that naive?
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Let me help you, as a line pilot and ex ASA regional pilot, this is actually a priority for the line pilots. But thanks for telling us how we think.
Again, how long have you been at Delta? And now you're empowered to speak for the whole pilot group? OK, Pal.
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