Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-03-2009, 06:59 AM
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FYI I can't get stapled. I'm at one of the independents, hence my comment. I guess the guys at the wholly-owneds are not wrong in their sense of entitlement to a mainline job. I don't know....
02-03-2009, 07:00 AM
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Just wondering, did you think it only fair to fly our DC-9/A-320 routes?How did your fellow pilots justify giving up more airplanes with furloughed pilots?
Next time they want to loosen scope, suggest giving up the largest airplane. That way it will affect every pilot on the seniority list and not just junior ones.
02-03-2009, 07:02 AM
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Yes it is fair if you give that flying up.
How did your fellow pilots justify giving up more airplanes with furloughed pilots?
Next time they want to loosen scope, suggest giving up the largest airplane. That way it will affect every pilot on the seniority list and not just junior ones.
How did your fellow pilots justify giving up more airplanes with furloughed pilots?
Next time they want to loosen scope, suggest giving up the largest airplane. That way it will affect every pilot on the seniority list and not just junior ones.
From what I have seen this management team is different, but if we keep up with history they will be gone and then next team will be back to outsourcing flying again.
02-03-2009, 07:05 AM
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02-03-2009, 07:14 AM
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E175's. DAL *may* want to do 195/175 mix at some point. So because you have a modified flow, and possibly an aircraft DAL does not want, all of XJ should be stapled together with CPZ?
As I stated it has to with what you bring. Say hypothetically (it all is) that they want the CRJ900, what do you do with the pilots flying the Saab? This is about getting 76 seat plus flying at the mainline for mainline pilots, not about getting feeder pilots jobs at DAL.
If you come with a 76 seat plus aircraft, the more the merrier. If you don't you have no claim to a DAL seat in my book.
As I stated it has to with what you bring. Say hypothetically (it all is) that they want the CRJ900, what do you do with the pilots flying the Saab? This is about getting 76 seat plus flying at the mainline for mainline pilots, not about getting feeder pilots jobs at DAL.
If you come with a 76 seat plus aircraft, the more the merrier. If you don't you have no claim to a DAL seat in my book.
Q. What's the difference between today's airlines and the same ones of not too long ago.
A. They all had props until the pilot's became too good to fly them.
One other thing. If you get 76 seat flying at mainline you are getting feeder pilots jobs at delta. That is unless you replace your current airplanes with 76 seaters.
Delta can also get as many 76 seaters as they want. Always have and always will. It's your feeders that are limited in the number they can get.
02-03-2009, 07:24 AM
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Compass cannot just tell DAL to do the training. They must get FAA approval that allows DAL to provide the training in accordance with all provisions of their FOTM. Next, DAL must certify their instructors to provide the training (ground, simulator, etc). All syllabuses must be mastered by the DAL instructors. Because DAL instructors operate under different company policies, procedures and ops specs they must first become qualified under Compass's. Finally, Compass training management and the FAA must certify the simulators that DAL will provide. It is a very lengthy process and is a complicated one due to the quality control issues that must be ensured.
02-03-2009, 07:40 AM
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Here's a rhetorical question.
Q. What's the difference between today's airlines and the same ones of not too long ago.
A. They all had props until the pilot's became too good to fly them.
One other thing. If you get 76 seat flying at mainline you are getting feeder pilots jobs at delta. That is unless you replace your current airplanes with 76 seaters.
Delta can also get as many 76 seaters as they want. Always have and always will. It's your feeders that are limited in the number they can get.
Q. What's the difference between today's airlines and the same ones of not too long ago.
A. They all had props until the pilot's became too good to fly them.
One other thing. If you get 76 seat flying at mainline you are getting feeder pilots jobs at delta. That is unless you replace your current airplanes with 76 seaters.
Delta can also get as many 76 seaters as they want. Always have and always will. It's your feeders that are limited in the number they can get.
Incorrect. They all had props until jets came along and could fly at 550 mph vs. 250 mph. Faster speeds meant more productivity. More productivity meant higher profits. That's why people cross oceans via airplanes not oceanliners now. They can get across the ocean in half a day vs. a week. You cross oceans on a boat if that's the purpose of your crossing. You cross oceans via airplane if you want to get there quickly. Props disappeared because jets offered a two-fold increase in speed and a dramatic increase in safety. Not because we became to "good" to fly them.
02-03-2009, 07:46 AM
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Yes it is fair if you give that flying up.
How did your fellow pilots justify giving up more airplanes with furloughed pilots?
Next time they want to loosen scope, suggest giving up the largest airplane. That way it will affect every pilot on the seniority list and not just junior ones.
How did your fellow pilots justify giving up more airplanes with furloughed pilots?
Next time they want to loosen scope, suggest giving up the largest airplane. That way it will affect every pilot on the seniority list and not just junior ones.
You make it sound like we desired to give up that flying with guys on the street or that we wanted to loosen scope. The hard bitter facts are that Compass and the 76 seat jet was born from the end of the Bankruptcy contract gun. Not much of a choice. Reminds me of the comedian Jack Benny's skit where the mugger holds him up and demands;'Your money or your life'...repeats it twice until Jack replies...'I'm thinking..I'm thinking'Compass is here because we had no choice. There shouldn't be one Compass pilot out there who thinks ANY NW pilot owes him any respect or a job.
02-03-2009, 07:48 AM
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There is nothing written that suggests the training can't be done by DAL. It is most likely an FAA issue. Every 121 carrier has to perform training in accordance with their Flight Operations Training Manual (FOTM). It is the bible on how that airline's training is to be performed. It is also an "approved" manual which means any change down to a word in the manual must go through the FAA approval process.
Compass cannot just tell DAL to do the training. They must get FAA approval that allows DAL to provide the training in accordance with all provisions of their FOTM. Next, DAL must certify their instructors to provide the training (ground, simulator, etc). All syllabuses must be mastered by the DAL instructors. Because DAL instructors operate under different company policies, procedures and ops specs they must first become qualified under Compass's. Finally, Compass training management and the FAA must certify the simulators that DAL will provide. It is a very lengthy process and is a complicated one due to the quality control issues that must be ensured.
Compass cannot just tell DAL to do the training. They must get FAA approval that allows DAL to provide the training in accordance with all provisions of their FOTM. Next, DAL must certify their instructors to provide the training (ground, simulator, etc). All syllabuses must be mastered by the DAL instructors. Because DAL instructors operate under different company policies, procedures and ops specs they must first become qualified under Compass's. Finally, Compass training management and the FAA must certify the simulators that DAL will provide. It is a very lengthy process and is a complicated one due to the quality control issues that must be ensured.
Why didn't NWA have the training done in house? They planned on having the 787 done in house. I hear there is even a 787 sim up there right now. Why didn't they get a 175 sim and do it in house. (there were even more firm orders for the 175 than the 787) One of the reasons I heard is they planned on selling off compass in the future. It was never in their long term plans. It was just one more piece in the whipsaw game.
If it's cheaper to do it in house I'm sure delta can get compass on board to have it done in house.
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