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Old 02-02-2009, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
It appears that DALPA doesn't want the 900's but the opposite seems true of DAL. Say what you will about the 900 but it burns less fuel than an E175. If DAL was so interested in the 175 then why didn't they strictly order them for their 76-seat lift needs?
The CRJ900 was and is a "regional jet" in every sense of the word. Narrow fuselage, limited overhead bin space, etc. It was not designed by Bombardier to be a mainline plane. That's why you see it at regional airlines around the world. The EMB175/195 family was designed to be a small mainline product. The only reason the 175 is at regional operations is because mainline carriers were taking advantage of scope loopholes and farming out flying for a cheaper labor cost.

Also, having the CRJ900 and the EMB175 has more to do with the airlines operating them than the aircraft itself. Republic was already a heavy Embraer operator so it made sense to stay with Embraer. Skywest, CMR, Pinnacle all operated Bombardier products so it made sense for those carriers to stay with Bombardier. DAL wasn't so concerned with the aircraft type as it was for cost of the product. Whoever operates the airplanes cheaper have been getting the flying it seems.

Although I like the First Class of the 900, I cannot stow a rollaboard in the overhead so I like the Embraer better from an overall pax standpoint.
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
The CRJ900 was and is a "regional jet" in every sense of the word. Narrow fuselage, limited overhead bin space, etc. It was not designed by Bombardier to be a mainline plane. That's why you see it at regional airlines around the world. The EMB175/195 family was designed to be a small mainline product. The only reason the 175 is at regional operations is because mainline carriers were taking advantage of scope loopholes and farming out flying for a cheaper labor cost.

Also, having the CRJ900 and the EMB175 has more to do with the airlines operating them than the aircraft itself. Republic was already a heavy Embraer operator so it made sense to stay with Embraer. Skywest, CMR, Pinnacle all operated Bombardier products so it made sense for those carriers to stay with Bombardier. DAL wasn't so concerned with the aircraft type as it was for cost of the product. Whoever operates the airplanes cheaper have been getting the flying it seems.

Although I like the First Class of the 900, I cannot stow a rollaboard in the overhead so I like the Embraer better from an overall pax standpoint.
I think an E175/195 mix a la Air Canada is the way to go for DL. I find it curious though that pre-merger NWA nor DAL seem to have any interest in the E195 at least.

As far as overhead bin space, I can actually fit my purdy-neat in the overhead...we have to now since the company won't let all four of us stow our bags in the 1st class closet. But yes, the Embraer has more space. However since the airlines decided to start charging for checked bags, carry-ons wind up getting gate-checked whether the a/c is a CRJ or a 757...happens everytime I go to/from work.
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:11 PM
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Thats great that most people on the board supports compass being stapled! As being in the first batch of captains to come to compass, we had were told what a unique situation we were in. When NW annouced they were going to start hiring, we pleaded with the NWMEC to staple us before any new hires came on the property. We thought it only fair since we were due paying members on the NWMEC! We were told they understood the problem of this situation, and we were told "we are looking into it, but trust us we know whats best". We offered many different proposals from ghost #s to a quicker flow to name a few. The NWMEC were blowing a lot of sunshine up our butts, but no action was ever taken. After NW stopped hiring, we came to the NWMEC again for some flow relieve, and described all the same advantages that all of you are saying on this forum, but again the NWMEC said "we understand and we're working for you" but nothing was ever done. We even a had a resolution all ready to be brought up at the next LEC meeting, but the LEC chair called us the night before telling us we shouldn't do it because we didn't have the support. At that time cpz was having a hard time finding enough qualified pilots, since all the capt positions were filled and airlines were still hiring. Supposingly the NWMEC was waiting for NW to come to them for relieve of the 1500 hr hiring min, in which they would try to negotiate the E175 back to mainline or so that was their philosophy in not supporting our staple. Then the whole Delta merger, so when we brought anything up again about a staple, we were told "we too busy to worry about you right know, we saved your flow so just be happy with that". I understand our unique situation, and how it would make since for us to be the first one to cross that bridge, but coming from our last experience with the NWMEC their is a lot of talk, but no action. I'm have no idea the feelings of the new DMEC, or of Delta management concering our future. Some of you on this board seem to have some relevent sources, and I appreciate sharing some of it with us. Hopefully we can learn from the last 10 yrs or so, and come up with a resolution that would benefit all of our careers.
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Originally Posted by Sparky
When NW annouced they were going to start hiring, we pleaded with the NWMEC to staple us before any new hires came on the property. We thought it only fair since we were due paying members on the NWMEC! .
Just wondering, did you think it only fair to fly our DC-9/A-320 routes?
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
It appears that DALPA doesn't want the 900's but the opposite seems true of DAL. Say what you will about the 900 but it burns less fuel than an E175. If DAL was so interested in the 175 then why didn't they strictly order them for their 76-seat lift needs?
If you are referring to the 36 CRJ900's NWA bought for XJ, it was to get out of lease obligations on CRJ200's. Otherwise they would have bought 76 E175's for CPZ
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:05 PM
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Fact is that most that troll these board are on some level familiar and educated on the topics of the day. The problem lies with the uneducated rank-and-file that votes by their W-2.
Education of this topic is key. I have had many lengthy discussions with fellow pilots on this. When they realize what the ramifications of the continued erosion of scope, they to are not willing to vote for something that allows the continued outsourcing of larger jet to continue.

We also need to Scope our international flying too!
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
If you are referring to the 36 CRJ900's NWA bought for XJ, it was to get out of lease obligations on CRJ200's. Otherwise they would have bought 76 E175's for CPZ
They could have bought 90 E175s for compass. The original CRJ900 purchase was a carve out by NWALPA for the Avro replacement.
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Just wondering, did you think it only fair to fly our DC-9/A-320 routes?

Wow! Little hostile! What I think is fair is that if I pay for a union they would represent me before they represent someone who doesn't pay for their services yet. We don't decide what routes we fly, we also replaced many crj-200 flying as well, so I'm sure pinnicle has a problem w/ us also. I haven't heard NW or pinnicle pilots losing they're jobs over us. As a matter of fact I think the cost of the flow down helped cpz persuade NW not to furlough this summer. The point I'm trying to make, like everybody else on this board, to bring this flying back to mainline and quit this back biting and whip-sawing thats dicamated this career.
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Although I like the First Class of the 900, I cannot stow a rollaboard in the overhead so I like the Embraer better from an overall pax standpoint.
The overhead bin on the 900 is the exact same size as the bin on the E175. If you don't believe me get out a ruler, you'll be shocked.
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Just wondering, did you think it only fair to fly our DC-9/A-320 routes?

Why did you give them up? This discussion is about, creating more, better paying jobs. If you have ignorant animosity towards other pilots feel free to take it elsewhere. NWMEC negotiated our contract so why don't you ask them. Why don't we make progress instead of pointing the finger at others.
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