Eric Stratton

If they were stapled then every pilot would go through a 175 and not just 83 a year. Either way it's a constant drain through the compass equipment.

Currently do compass pilots carry over their longevity once they flow up? (I don't think they do, could be wrong) If they are stapled then they are accruing longevity so the first time they see another airplane they may be on year 2 or 3 vs year 1, adding to the overall cost.

johnso29

Yup, just like the RJDC.

johnso29

You're not getting it. When DAL starts hiring then Compass guys flow up. Then Compass must replace the flow ups. DAL must train the flow ups, plus pay for the outsourced training for Compass. If Compass was brought in house, then training is done in house and the costs are far more controllable.

DAL4EVER

Another benefit is that some guys will stay in their equipment for seniority purposes. This will further lessen the impact. Currently if we have to hire to fill an MD88 slot, the slot would come from Compass who would then have to hire. Exactly the situation Johnso described. However, if let's say the DAL E175 Captain is getting a good schedule and opts to stay on the E175, DAL could hire to fill the MD88 slot and only have one training event not two. Considering the increase in efficiency by having that Captain remain on the E175, they would not need to hire as many bodies to staff the airplane. There is also a reduced expense on the training end. This is millions of dollars we're talking about. At an age of huge losses and a lousy economy, this could dramatically improve the bottom line for Flight Ops budget. Win-win.

DAL4EVER

What is 83 from?

DAL4EVER

It's not the only thing but its a huge thing. I've served on the training side previously for a few years and can tell you that its a huge budget.

Mesabah

You guys do realize that Mesaba is a wholly owned with the exact same status as compass. Also if delta starts hiring, more pilots per year will come from mesaba.

Fly4hire

Yes and No. More bodies may flow initially from XJ. The flow back is not 100% like CPZ, but only the number that are hired from XJ. Big difference. Also DAL may not want CRJ900's on the mainline. Again a significant airframe difference between a maxed out CRJ and a E175/195.

I would hope you would get seats proportional to what you bring - but what if you don't bring anything DAL wants?

Bucking Bar

Fly4Hire,

Good point. Mesaba's not the same and not permitted to operate the E175.

Mesaba makes a better marriage with Comair.

Mesabah

What does compass have?