Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-02-2009, 11:14 AM
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The rumor I heard was that the compass planes might be brought up to the mainline as a one for one type deal in order to avoid the furlough of any delta pilot. The compass pilot that would be furloughed would get a mainline number and return in short course training at a later date. This saves a lot of money over time if you think about it, especially if there is a recall at anytime. At that point more 900's can be purchased as the E175 would be considered new narrowbody aircraft. In other words the company has saved money but the pilots haven't gotten scope back.
The Scope degradation danger for DAL pilots in having the same type flown at a regional and mainline at widely disparate pay rates is severe. I think the DAL MEC would like to capture and hold all of this type flying for the mainline for future (unforeseen) protection of Scope beyond the CPZ flow up/back. With CPZ on the MEC and the unique 100% nature of the flow, we have a target of opportunity to protect Scope and expand mainline flying at DAL that may not present itself again.
Besides protecting the as of yet unborn DAL pilot, we could turn the tide back on the whole Scope issue. I'm sure RJDC and others will try and sue their way to a seniority number again - and it may be the right time for them and other regional's to leave ALPA - on their own or with us opening the door for them.
02-02-2009, 11:44 AM
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Thank you for becoming a living example of exactly what I was talking about.
The lawsuit may have ended in a tie, but the wedge between pilot groups is thriving and your managers are loving it.
It was wrong for ALPA to choose sides at all. The Delta scope issue was between the two pilot groups and Delta management. When ALPA took sides they pitted one ALPA pilot group against another. No wonder USAirways, Atlas and, according to you, maybe Delta don't trust them and want to form independent unions. No wonder Skywest didn't want to become another ALPA step-child and no wonder several independent union pilot groups don't want to become ALPA. Jetblue might unionize, but they will never become ALPA. Is it any wonder they don't trust pilots like yours?
Soon ALPA will be broken and most airlines will have their own unions. It will soon be pilot against pilot just like management prefers.
The lawsuit may have ended in a tie, but the wedge between pilot groups is thriving and your managers are loving it.
It was wrong for ALPA to choose sides at all. The Delta scope issue was between the two pilot groups and Delta management. When ALPA took sides they pitted one ALPA pilot group against another. No wonder USAirways, Atlas and, according to you, maybe Delta don't trust them and want to form independent unions. No wonder Skywest didn't want to become another ALPA step-child and no wonder several independent union pilot groups don't want to become ALPA. Jetblue might unionize, but they will never become ALPA. Is it any wonder they don't trust pilots like yours?
Soon ALPA will be broken and most airlines will have their own unions. It will soon be pilot against pilot just like management prefers.
02-02-2009, 12:34 PM
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Now they have a new law to use against DALPA. Don't forget about the McCaskill-Bond law that passed last year. Remember? The two senators from Missouri passed that amendment at the urging of the TWA flight attendants.
Any attempt to "staple" any pilot group will be met by certain litigation from the usual suspects.
Any attempt to "staple" any pilot group will be met by certain litigation from the usual suspects.
02-02-2009, 01:12 PM
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Now they have a new law to use against DALPA. Don't forget about the McCaskill-Bond law that passed last year. Remember? The two senators from Missouri passed that amendment at the urging of the TWA flight attendants.
Any attempt to "staple" any pilot group will be met by certain litigation from the usual suspects.
Any attempt to "staple" any pilot group will be met by certain litigation from the usual suspects.
RJDC pilots do, CMR does, CPZ, and all DCI carriers are ALPA, so any SLI would be handled in house with the respective MEC with National involved. In order to invoke McCaskill-Bond they would have to decertify ALPA and have NO UNION on the property. First, a risky proposition that would require all members to vote, and second not sure how favorably such a ploy to manipulate the system would be met.
02-02-2009, 01:15 PM
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The law pertains to work groups subject to a SLI that do not have any LPP's - in other words union representation.
RJDC pilots do, CMR does, CPZ, and all DCI carriers are ALPA, so any SLI would be handled in house with the respective MEC with National involved. In order to invoke McCaskill-Bond they would have to decertify ALPA and have NO UNION on the property. First, a risky proposition that would require all members to vote, and second not sure how favorably such a ploy to manipulate the system would be met.
RJDC pilots do, CMR does, CPZ, and all DCI carriers are ALPA, so any SLI would be handled in house with the respective MEC with National involved. In order to invoke McCaskill-Bond they would have to decertify ALPA and have NO UNION on the property. First, a risky proposition that would require all members to vote, and second not sure how favorably such a ploy to manipulate the system would be met.
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