Delta Payscale For Crj900?
02-02-2009, 07:38 AM
#91
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It's cool to see a groundswell of support for bringing 76 seat flying back to mainline, at least among the fDL/fNW pilots on this forum. I have to admit I'm a little skeptical of it translating into real world action. If anyone IS going to introduce resolutions at LEC meetings, what would the purpose of the resolution be? To direct the MEC to take action in attempting to staple Compass to the list or (better yet) get the E175s on mainline property and under the DL contract? Anybody want to take a crack at a draft?
One question...as a Compass guy, I wholeheartedly approve of the idea of a staple, not just because it's good for me but because it's a good start in the right direction for the entire profession. It seems to me that a staple couldn't be done unilaterally by the union, that the company would have to sign off on this. That's most likely if they see cost savings, particularly by bringing the E175 on property. If that's the case...what happens to other CPS employees? NWA oversaw the recruitment of our pilots but that is decidedly NOT the case with other employee groups, particularly our FAs. Some are great, some are airline veterans...but some wouldn't make it through the first five minutes of a Delta interview. Food for thought.
One question...as a Compass guy, I wholeheartedly approve of the idea of a staple, not just because it's good for me but because it's a good start in the right direction for the entire profession. It seems to me that a staple couldn't be done unilaterally by the union, that the company would have to sign off on this. That's most likely if they see cost savings, particularly by bringing the E175 on property. If that's the case...what happens to other CPS employees? NWA oversaw the recruitment of our pilots but that is decidedly NOT the case with other employee groups, particularly our FAs. Some are great, some are airline veterans...but some wouldn't make it through the first five minutes of a Delta interview. Food for thought.
02-02-2009, 07:43 AM
#92
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There is a real cost savings to the company, they know it too. It is realized when we start hiring and the training cost at CPZ become astronomical. Taking 20% of the CA list every month will cost a ton of money. Now if those jets were on mainline this would not be an issue.
In four years when the retirements kick in, they do not stop for 20 years. It is not a short term problem for the company. The MEC is aware of this too. What we as the rank and file need to realize is that we need to use this to our advantage and not take this flow and sell it for some other "gain."
In four years when the retirements kick in, they do not stop for 20 years. It is not a short term problem for the company. The MEC is aware of this too. What we as the rank and file need to realize is that we need to use this to our advantage and not take this flow and sell it for some other "gain."
02-02-2009, 07:46 AM
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To direct the MEC to take action in attempting to staple Compass to the list or (better yet) get the E175s on mainline property and under the DL contract? Anybody want to take a crack at a draft?
It seems to me that a staple couldn't be done unilaterally by the union, that the company would have to sign off on this. That's most likely if they see cost savings, particularly by bringing the E175 on property. If that's the case...what happens to other CPS employees? NWA oversaw the recruitment of our pilots but that is decidedly NOT the case with other employee groups, particularly our FAs. Some are great, some are airline veterans...but some wouldn't make it through the first five minutes of a Delta interview. Food for thought.
It seems to me that a staple couldn't be done unilaterally by the union, that the company would have to sign off on this. That's most likely if they see cost savings, particularly by bringing the E175 on property. If that's the case...what happens to other CPS employees? NWA oversaw the recruitment of our pilots but that is decidedly NOT the case with other employee groups, particularly our FAs. Some are great, some are airline veterans...but some wouldn't make it through the first five minutes of a Delta interview. Food for thought.
02-02-2009, 08:25 AM
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True, however the first cannot occur without the latter. Additionally pay rates, work rules, bump and flush vs. bidding into positions, etc will have a large influence on the financial viability of making such a move attractive to management.
If this were to happen I would envision it having to be revenue positive for the Co. as well as a zero-sum gain for us. I doubt there is the stomach to "buy" this with relief elsewhere in the PWA.
If this were to happen I would envision it having to be revenue positive for the Co. as well as a zero-sum gain for us. I doubt there is the stomach to "buy" this with relief elsewhere in the PWA.
02-02-2009, 09:48 AM
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It is great to read this groundswell of support for a single list with CPZ and stronger scope.
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02-02-2009, 09:49 AM
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A lawsuit that went nowhere. Also, what do you think the outcome would have been if ALPA had sided with Comair? Understepping their bounds? All the Delta pilots had to do was decertify ALPA and form their own union. As a matter of fact, that is what a lot of mainline pilots wanted in the first place.
The lawsuit may have ended in a tie, but the wedge between pilot groups is thriving and your managers are loving it.
It was wrong for ALPA to choose sides at all. The Delta scope issue was between the two pilot groups and Delta management. When ALPA took sides they pitted one ALPA pilot group against another. No wonder USAirways, Atlas and, according to you, maybe Delta don't trust them and want to form independent unions. No wonder Skywest didn't want to become another ALPA step-child and no wonder several independent union pilot groups don't want to become ALPA. Jetblue might unionize, but they will never become ALPA. Is it any wonder they don't trust pilots like yours?
Soon ALPA will be broken and most airlines will have their own unions. It will soon be pilot against pilot just like management prefers.
02-02-2009, 09:51 AM
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Yeah the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a scope relax....Does delta still have the ability to buy 3 more RJ's for every new narrowbody flown by delta pilots? If so, compass would add (36 x 3)+ 36 or 144 new 76 seat RJ's to DCI.
02-02-2009, 10:23 AM
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But your right, the journey starts with a single step. I've dropped my rep an email with that suggestion as I'll be on a trip during the meeting itself. I think this is the last LEC meeting with the old guard, new reps in March I think? Probably a better shot with the new guys?
But, Bucking is also correct. Some senior guys here rant about the conflict of interest that CPZ are part of the LEC. Oh well......
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